wirecard on Fulltilt
 

Fulltilt is offering a new deposit/withdrawal method called wirecard, which has some fees, and I don't see anything about FT picking up the fees. Is anyone familiar with this service? I guess it is supposed to work for US players. Any info is appreciated.

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It's associated with click2pay in some way, and click2pay does not seem reliable ATM. This thread belongs in the internet gamboling forum where there is a longer thread about this topic.

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i had dinner with one of the top ft execs a few days ago. he told me they were going to announce by the end of the week a new funding source very similar to neteller. i didn't ask questions about the fees, however, it was clear that he thought it was not very different from neteller.

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i had dinner with one of the top ft execs a few days ago. he told me they were going to announce by the end of the week a new funding source very similar to neteller. i didn't ask questions about the fees, however, it was clear that he thought it was not very different from neteller.

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would you care to elaborate any furter?

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http://www.online-gambling-insider.com/o...d-01-25-07.html

Intertops has just set up their own funding mechanism. I have heard that some poker sites are not too far behind.

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I'm more interesting in the "cashing out" aspect. Neteller was fairly quick with my cashouts (usually less than a week).

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http://www.online-gambling-insider.com/o...d-01-25-07.html

Intertops has just set up their own funding mechanism. I have heard that some poker sites are not too far behind.

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Yep...this is the new way....how long will it last?

*crosses fingers*

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Wow...
Looks great has anyone dealt with them before??

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doesnt bodog have their own payment system ?

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A diff method besides Wirecard?

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sorry, but that is about all that we discussed on that topic.

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epassporte takes only a few hours.

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It's associated with click2pay in some way, and click2pay does not seem reliable ATM. This thread belongs in the internet gamboling forum where there is a longer thread about this topic.

[/ QUOTE ] I think the reason that click2pay backed out of the US market with their standard service has less to do with reliability and more to do with scalabilty, scope and resilience against the US government's regulators

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It's associated with click2pay in some way, and click2pay does not seem reliable ATM. This thread belongs in the internet gamboling forum where there is a longer thread about this topic.

[/ QUOTE ] I think the reason that click2pay backed out of the US market with their standard service has less to do with reliability and more to do with scalabilty, scope and resilience against the US government's regulators

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Yeah what I meant was only that I that I had to load money to UB from c2p because there was no other way out early this afternoon. It appears they may be out of the US market completely know and apparently they aren't processing withdrawals for less then 1.5K. Needless to say I'm happy my money is out.

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Yeah what I meant was only that I that I had to load money to UB from c2p because there was no other way out early this afternoon. It appears they may be out of the US market completely know and apparently they aren't processing withdrawals for less then 1.5K. Needless to say I'm happy my money is out.

[/ QUOTE ] No, my point was the C2P *owns* Wirecard. So C2P as a service may be gone but the company isn't leaving the marketplace they are merely redirecting their customers (and future customers) to a product they think is preferable given the tone of US regulatory efforts.

Wirecard, from my understanding, has limitless deposits and withdrawals.

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Yeah what I meant was only that I that I had to load money to UB from c2p because there was no other way out early this afternoon. It appears they may be out of the US market completely know and apparently they aren't processing withdrawals for less then 1.5K. Needless to say I'm happy my money is out.

[/ QUOTE ] No, my point was the C2P *owns* Wirecard. So C2P as a service may be gone but the company isn't leaving the marketplace they are merely redirecting their customers (and future customers) to a product they think is preferable given the tone of US regulatory efforts.

Wirecard, from my understanding, has limitless deposits and withdrawals.

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That's interesting. I'm still a little suspicious of the whole thing. Wait and see I guess.

Re: wirecard on Fulltilt
 

epassporte cash outs only take a few hours

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What keeps the Feds from simply monitoring the poker sites and slamming the new money transfer options as they arise?

In otherwords is wirecard going to be an option for a month, then shut down as well?

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I just checked my FTP casheir and Wirecard is no longer shown as a deposit option for me. This happen to everyone else?

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I just checked my FTP casheir and Wirecard is no longer shown as a deposit option for me. This happen to everyone else?

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I don't see it anymore since the last software update.

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I just checked my FTP casheir and Wirecard is no longer shown as a deposit option for me. This happen to everyone else?

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I don't see it anymore since the last software update.

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lol(eight-hour outage on Friday night for this?)aments

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What keeps the Feds from simply monitoring the poker sites and slamming the new money transfer options as they arise?

In otherwords is wirecard going to be an option for a month, then shut down as well?

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Unfortunately nothing keeps them from doing this; I guarantee that there are moles and snoops on this very message board. The one good thing is that so far, the process of shutting down such a service seems to take a bit of time (see the Neteller investigation). Whether or not this will remain the case after the UIGEA takes effect is yet to be seen.

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What keeps the Feds from simply monitoring the poker sites and slamming the new money transfer options as they arise?

In otherwords is wirecard going to be an option for a month, then shut down as well?


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So far everything has been voluntary. The feds have not forced anyone to do anything through legal or regulatory means, as far as I know.

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I don't see anywhere on the site how your supposed to withdrawl from Wirecard. Are we supposed to just leave all our money on the card?

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I have no experience as a customer with wirecard, but as developer.

Its been a few years, but around 2001 the company I was working for back then was looking for a clearing-company to handle CC-payments on their webshops, and my job was to implement the whole thing technically.
After around half a year we dumped wirecard because their backend was just horrible unstable. Nearly every day we had payments which were not processed cleanly, although there was no cause (technical or financial) why they shouldn't work.

Since then I haven't had anything to do with wirecard (perhaps they got better...), but judging from my past experiences i definately wouldn't use them for any transactions.

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I f I look at their ir site they seem quite solid to me. Anyway, they do neither offer a withdrawal solution nor do they accept gaming transacitons...

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I f I look at their ir site they seem quite solid to me. Anyway, they do neither offer a withdrawal solution nor do they accept gaming transacitons...

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Could you elaborate on what exactly makes them look solid to you?

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i had dinner with one of the top ft execs a few days ago. he told me they were going to announce by the end of the week a new funding source very similar to neteller. i didn't ask questions about the fees, however, it was clear that he thought it was not very different from neteller.

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Any update?

Re: wirecard on Fulltilt
 

Well, they are a real bank (www.wirecardbank.com) ... Not an ewallet or sth [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Important Information for U.S. Account Holders
Please note that due to U.S. legislative restrictions U.S. account holders are not able to transfer funds to or from any online gambling sites.
All U.S. account holders are able to use their Wirecard account and virtual MasterCard to safely transfer funds to and from any non-gambling Internet merchants accepting MasterCard payments or holding a Wirecard account.
If the U.S. is your country of residence or nationality or your computer is located in the U.S. you are considered a U.S. account holder and you will not be able to transfer funds to or from any online gambling sites.


https://www.wirecard.com/wirecard/Re...tionStart.html

Re: wirecard on Fulltilt
 

Well, at least it's consistent to what the CS guy told me...

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glad I deposited $50 in there to test it.

Now I've got to buy some useless crap off the internet.

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my personal (little) rebellion: i'll buy a poker book with it at amazon... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]