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jtflush29 01-24-2007 01:55 AM

PokerBuddy Beta Released
 
What would people like to see that they currently don't see in poker tracker?

Weither it be stats or functionality please let me know.

Also what other types of poker software would people be interested in seeing developed?

edit: Changed title. -Sam

AljdrA 01-24-2007 03:47 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
A tab to enter bonus stats.

jtflush29 01-24-2007 04:13 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
K give me more detail if you would.

Flintoff 01-24-2007 05:41 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
An option to see when you are checkraised on each street

The Icon 01-24-2007 06:06 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
a filter for nl to view your hands that you've either 3 or 4 bet preflop or been 3 or 4 bet preflop

demon102 01-24-2007 07:04 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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a filter for nl to view your hands that you've either 3 or 4 bet preflop or been 3 or 4 bet preflop

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Ive asked on the PAHUD forum for this, so I guess it needs this in pokertracker first. I would luv this feature, this is the only thing that comes to my mind every time I play a session.

Sciolist 01-24-2007 07:26 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
And likewise, a state to show the percentage of times someone three bets preflop. Whether as a total of the number of times they raise, or as a percentage of all hands, either is fine with me.

Dazarath 01-24-2007 08:36 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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And likewise, a state to show the percentage of times someone three bets preflop. Whether as a total of the number of times they raise, or as a percentage of all hands, either is fine with me.

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This, and a better graphing tool would be awesome. I know there's a couple out there, but they don't work with PGSQL 8.2.

NoahSD 01-24-2007 09:24 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
1) Stuff with 3-betting.

2) Don't record hands for a player that's sitting out. In tournaments, sitting out players get dealt hands, so PT keeps counting stats and then PAHUD displays them as 0/0 over 100 hands or whatever. Stars says right next to the player's name "(sitting out)" in the HH, so this should be really easy to fix.

3) Let me filter for ranges of stakes instead of just specific states. For example "NL games with blinds between .5/1 and 2/4".

I'm sure there are a ton more I'm not thinking of. Hopefully this thread'll just get PT to update a little.

runstop 01-24-2007 11:30 AM

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My wishlist:

Something not written in powerbuilder, java, python, etc. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

IE - something that's FAST.

runstop

jtflush29 01-24-2007 12:42 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
Keep the ideas coming and you will get what you ask for.
What about a option to bring up a hand and be able to visually replay it in the application?

Mr. Orange 01-24-2007 12:53 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I'm gonna echo what other's have said. The biggest things missing are the 3bet, 4 bet stats and options to enter bonus/rakeback info. I would also like to be able to manually enter live game info. (Obviously I won't know my live VPIP and such but I'd like to have all my results in one place)

*** 01-24-2007 01:09 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
The ability to query the database using SQL from the pokertracker client.

jtflush29 01-24-2007 01:15 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
Does anyone have a problem with all of this being off of a website rather than a application so that all of this data is centralized.

jtflush29 01-24-2007 01:20 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I guess I should say would you rather it be a web page or a windows app or both?

rvg72 01-24-2007 03:56 PM

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I guess I should say would you rather it be a web page or a windows app or both?

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Web app would not work - you will find that you will need to scale out servers at a rate that would not make any price you charged cover your costs.

rvg

NoahSD 01-24-2007 04:53 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
OMG rvg make the new PT!

jtflush29 01-24-2007 04:54 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
Trust me server price is not a issue.
It will be both a windows app and webpage.

rvg72 01-24-2007 05:13 PM

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OMG rvg make the new PT!

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runstop 01-24-2007 05:29 PM

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I thought about doing an online app a couple of years ago. There are a few obvious downsides to it:

- Uploading large amounts of HH would be sloooooow.
- Centralized data would turn users off (are you sure you will never sell the data, etc. etc.)
- something like PAHUD would need specialized apis to get data.

I could see lots of benefits, but personally, I'd love a rewritten PT with the improvements mentioned above. A slick, powerful GUI would be a big bonus. (for example, maybe not have 5 different dialogs to handle DB configuration like PT has) hehe.

runstop

jtflush29 01-24-2007 05:37 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
No problem runstop you will get what you ask for. The webpage would just be used for reports. Also I think centralized data is a great thing to have. If somone doesn't want to send the data up there will also be a option to keep there data private on there local machine.

Suerte 01-24-2007 06:19 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I wish there was some type of filter so I can filter sessions by either days, or groups of 1000 hands and so forth. Then have options to export them in that type of format to excel or something. I would like to be able to easily analyze the different sessions "multi table ratio" in regards to win rate and so forth. Is this possible?

TheIrishThug 01-24-2007 10:21 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
Gonna be echoing some other people, but I think it's good to see what things people really value.

Being about the tell the difference between a raise and a re-raise, and so forth up the line.
Track bonuses and rakeback.
Multi threaded to make it faster and more seamless.
Allow for plug-ins in case some genius comes along tomorrow with something we forgot or to add support for extra sites.
A good graphing program the supports newer database software.
BB/100 means big blind in no limit.
Allow for record keeping of where parts of your bankroll are presently (even if it still requires me to type in my end of day balance).

I'll probably be back later with more.

demon102 01-24-2007 11:28 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I multitable when I play which Im sure everyone here does. I play 4-12 6 max games at a time and 8-12 9 max games at a time. Id like a filter to be able to see how my sessions differ when between playing 4 tables and 12 tables.

Dazarath 01-24-2007 11:35 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
OP, I think it's great what you're attempting, but you may want to weigh the risks first before you attempt such a project. You wouldn't be the first to try to write a "better PT", and I think the problem is that most people just prefer to stick with what they have. Plus, all of the software available is geared towards PT.

jtflush29 01-24-2007 11:48 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I agree stick with PT if thats what you want. I on the otherhand want more than what it offers. As you can see from the amount of posts in the past day there are a lot of people that agree that changes need to be made.

jtflush29 01-24-2007 11:52 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
There has been a few posts on a rakeback and bonus section. What specific things would you like to track for this?

Mr. Orange 01-25-2007 12:09 AM

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There has been a few posts on a rakeback and bonus section. What specific things would you like to track for this?

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I think alot of people just want to have all there results in one place. It's annoying to have to have a seperate excel spreadsheet in addition to pokertracker to keep track of your winnings. Even if everything has to be entered manually I wouldn't care.

DrewOnTilt 01-25-2007 01:59 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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I'm gonna echo what other's have said. The biggest things missing are the 3bet, 4 bet stats and options to enter bonus/rakeback info. I would also like to be able to manually enter live game info. (Obviously I won't know my live VPIP and such but I'd like to have all my results in one place)

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That would be a sweet addition, and would allow me to ditch the second spreadsheet that I have to keep in addition to my PT databases.

jtflush29 01-25-2007 02:26 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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I'm gonna echo what other's have said. The biggest things missing are the 3bet, 4 bet stats and options to enter bonus/rakeback info. I would also like to be able to manually enter live game info. (Obviously I won't know my live VPIP and such but I'd like to have all my results in one place)

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What do you want to see on the Rake and Bonus page?

Grey 01-25-2007 03:09 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
Performance is my only issue.

A better replayer would be kinda nice too.

Maybe something that allowed you to display stats on the replayer (like pokerace).

Also, I don't think PT can do this, but it would be nice if you could make notes on a player in PT, and then export those notes to you poker client.

garvin 01-25-2007 05:41 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I would like an add-on written in C++ or C# that automates and speeds up the import of hand histories into the PT DB. It could work in some batch-oriented way and could be optimized for fast imports, it can be done a lot faster than current PowerBuilder solution. I would easily pay $100 for a robust (add-on) solution.

That is on no 1-10 on my list, so I wont bother with any more enhancemants.

DrGonzo 01-25-2007 07:11 AM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
A number for how much a player values position. Something like VP$IP for the late positions divided by VP$IP for the early positions.

Unabridged 01-25-2007 04:32 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
3bet, 4bet stats
for NL: make use of the bet sizes
ability to filter hands by flush draw, straight draw, overpair, TPTK, set, ...

without these i wouldn't even bother making a another program

also, i like drgonzo's suggestion for a number that corresponds to how positiontal a player is.

_dave_ 01-25-2007 04:42 PM

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A number for how much a player values position. Something like VP$IP for the late positions divided by VP$IP for the early positions.

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We can probably get this out of the existing PT schema, may be a little harsh to calculate on-the-fly, or maybe not...

Agree it would be a handy stat, I'd imagine it would be good to do this for both VPIP and PFR amounts.

dave.

_dave_ 01-25-2007 04:46 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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Does anyone have a problem with all of this being off of a website rather than a application so that all of this data is centralized.


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The big sites (PokerStars, Party) are none too happy with centralized databases - see PokerEdge.


dave.

Gregg777 01-25-2007 04:50 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
This sounds like an excellent idea.

People are right, you shouldn't try to make another Poker Tracker, however, if you made something without all of PT's bells and whistles, and primarily included functions not available to PT, you would save a great deal of time trying to make a "better" product, and also create a secondary and extremely valuable product.

Pat may even like the idea of not being hassled with hundreds of personal query requests.

For example, don't worry about a hand replayer for now, get in the requests that PT doesn't have first.

A couple of requests:

On the "Known Hands" filter on the "General Info" tab, have the exact same filter for all hands, not just known hands.

On the "Known Hands" filter on the "General Info" tab, add an "Action on Turn" filter to the existing "Pre-flop Raise -Action on Flop" selection.

Also add a "Cold Called Action on Flop and Action on Turn" filter.

jtflush29 01-25-2007 05:48 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
I should have some screen prints or demo video ready by end of weekend. Still waiting for info on what you guys would like to see for rakeback and bonus. Also for the 3bet 4bet stats are you looking for who has bet/raised 3 or 4 times for each round?

jtflush29 01-25-2007 05:55 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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Does anyone have a problem with all of this being off of a website rather than a application so that all of this data is centralized.


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What reasons have you heard that they don't want this?

The big sites (PokerStars, Party) are none too happy with centralized databases - see PokerEdge.


dave.

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NoahSD 01-25-2007 06:32 PM

Re: What is Poker Tracker Missing? / What new software is needed.
 
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I should have some screen prints or demo video ready by end of weekend. Still waiting for info on what you guys would like to see for rakeback and bonus. Also for the 3bet 4bet stats are you looking for who has bet/raised 3 or 4 times for each round?

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No no no. A 3-bet is a reraise. Like I raise on the button, and SB 3-bets.

The stat that would probably be best is how often somebody reraised a CO or button raise. So (# times reraised a CO or BU raise)/(# of times folded to or called a CO or BU raise).

Tourney Manager has a great rakeback scheme. Download it at tourneymanager.net and just copy that. Bonuses should be done in the exact same way... you put in a bonus amount, the date you got it, and how quickly it clears, and it adds the bonus profit to each hand until it's cleared.


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