Peyton Manning, Greatest QB of all time?
 

I wanted to see what most of you think who is the best QB of all time, season and post-season wise...my vote goes to Peyton Manning and i just wanted to congratulate him on getting the monkey off of his back and reaching his first Super Bowl.

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I wanted to see what most of you think who is the best QB of all time, season and post-season wise...my vote goes to Peyton Manning and i just wanted to congratulate him on getting the monkey off of his back and reaching his first Super Bowl.

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If you just wanted to congratulate him, there are at least 3 threads to do so, some where you can rub it in Pats fans faces, if that's your thing.

If you want to compare him to Marino, Elway, Montana, etc. then we should probably wait til his career is over.

If you're asking for us to extrapolate his stats and play and make a projection, then my guess would be yes, and by a fair margin.

Cody

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Yes and it won't even be close.

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yes

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He isn't there yet, but he has a good chance of getting there. Depending on the number of rings (fair or not, QBs are judged by rings), it might not be close.

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yeah, pretty cool, eh?

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who are the contenders?
and what are the key stats used to compare?
how do we differentiate for era/scheme/system/and quality of talent each qb had?

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if Tom Brady ends up with 4 to 6 rings...where will he rank?

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kohan = blackjack, no?

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If he wins a Super Bowl, yes.

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if Tom Brady ends up with 4 to 6 rings...where will he rank?

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Top 50.

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kohan = blackjack, no?

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I was thinking blackjack = manUfan, but I could be wrong. Probably too early to tell without an IP check.

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steve young
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add a few more names to the debate:
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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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I think if Manning wins one ring, and we extrapolate his stats just a few more years, he will be up there with the greats, but I'm not sure if one SB ring will put him at the top. That being said, he definitely has a shot to get several in his career. If he never gets a ring, he will have quite a dubious distinction.

If Brady were to have a decent career from here on out, I still think he'll be remembered with the greats. There just aren't too many QBs with three rings, and no standout talent around them to lean on. It funny how one loss in a hotly contested game can bring all of the haters.

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I'd add Elway, Farve, and possibly Moon to that list, from that era. Seriously I think you can argue to death who the greatest is, IMO they are all equally great, with Joe Montana getting the slight edge over the others..

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manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Funny that the offense was better with Addai/Rhodes this year than it was with perennial pro bowler Edgerrin James last year.

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I'll be surprised if Brady doesnt end up with 4 or 5 rings which will put him up there.

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manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Funny that the offense was better with Addai/Rhodes this year than it was with perennial pro bowler Edgerrin James last year.

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yes but having Edge, one of the greatest WR of all time, and a fantastic o-line doesn't exactly hurt yr stats

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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that defense hurt Peyton in terms of rings...but def didnt hurt in terms of pumping up his stats

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also if Brady and Peyton switched place...i don't think Peyton has 3 rings on his fingers...probably just 1 or maybe 2

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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that defense hurt Peyton in terms of rings...but def didnt hurt in terms of pumping up his stats

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Yeah, and Brady is nothing without the rings. When he said Brady had done more with less, I don't think he was referring to yardage and TDs.

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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that defense hurt Peyton in terms of rings...but def didnt hurt in terms of pumping up his stats

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Yeah, and Brady is nothing without the rings. When he said Brady had done more with less, I don't think he was referring to yardage and TDs.

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W/L Playoff victories >> yardage TDs
what makes Peyton so remarkable is he has both.

Brady isn't > Peyton career wise

but on a team riddled with injuries...a sub par set of WRs and in crappy weather...I sure don't want Peyton over Brady going into the 4th quarter.

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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i totally agree, the colts definitely did a great job in building around the offense around Peyton. But I still see him among the greats even if he does not win a ring, even though IMO he should have at least 2 by now, but Peyton has the TD record for a single season, and is on pace to break many more records in terms of offensive production. Yes Brady has 3 rings but his defense was stellar and he just got put into a system that worked. Granted he is great talent, with a great arm and body for QB i just see Brady as more overrated then anything. But to get back to my point that Peyton should still be up with the greats when it is all said and done with even if he were to not win a Super Bowl because Marino is listed as great and only made it to the Super Bowl once and that was in his first year, never took them back again after that, and Marino is recognized as one of the greatest of all time. So even if Peyton were to not win a Championship he will still be labeled as one of the best ever.

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A:) someone had to choose him as their QB
B:) someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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i still think Brady has done the most with the least amount of talent around him. manning has had the pleasure of working with all pro receivers and backs compared to brady who has a bunch of nobodies usually.

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By least talent around him you must mean offensive only. This line of thought gives Brady all the credit of having less than stellar WRs but somehow Manning still takes the grief for having a subpar Def for several years.

Had the Ravens kept Dilfer and the defense won them 3 titles, would he be an all time great QB?

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Hey [censored], I can only say this so many times. Trent Dilfer was a great all time QB. Helllllllo he won a Super Bowl. Has Peyton won a Super Bowl? Hell no, but Trent has.
It goes Brady>>>Trent>Manning. I think that should be obvious.

Cody

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You've all got 2 weeks of hypothetical talk left. Peyton is winning this thing, even if he has to play left handed.

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You've all got 2 weeks of hypothetical talk left. Peyton is winning this thing, even if he has to play left handed.

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haha, so true, Colts win the super bowl 35-14, but i also think that Tom Moore surely has a lot to do with the success of Peyton because he really let Peyton do what he does best and audible. Throw the defense off balance.

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Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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To do that denies that which defines Manning: his ability to be an Offensive Coordinator on the field. He's the hardest working QB in football, and his football IQ is the highest as well.
Was he sent to the Cardinals in 1998, he probably doesn't get the record for TDs, nor does he get to the playoffs, to say nothing of Wins or Losses there, but his talent would still be evident, if only to those lucky enough to watch Cards games.

Cody

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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i totally agree, the colts definitely did a great job in building around the offense around Peyton. But I still see him among the greats even if he does not win a ring, even though IMO he should have at least 2 by now, but Peyton has the TD record for a single season, and is on pace to break many more records in terms of offensive production. Yes Brady has 3 rings but his defense was stellar and he just got put into a system that worked. Granted he is great talent, with a great arm and body for QB i just see Brady as more overrated then anything. But to get back to my point that Peyton should still be up with the greats when it is all said and done with even if he were to not win a Super Bowl because Marino is listed as great and only made it to the Super Bowl once and that was in his first year, never took them back again after that, and Marino is recognized as one of the greatest of all time. So even if Peyton were to not win a Championship he will still be labeled as one of the best ever.

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You def have to put him up there with the greats simply based on the fact that Marino is up there and he never won a SB.

Peyton plays in a dome, is rarely touched, doesn't get injured...so u figure he can play till he is like 38.

He'll def have crazy stats and be the best regular season QB of all time--though I would loved to have seen Marino with that Indy team--but if he only finishes with say 1 ring...
in a lot of peoples minds he won't be #1...but unless Brady gets like 6 rings there is no way he is ever viewed as #1 except in Boston.

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Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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To do that denies that which defines Manning: his ability to be an Offensive Coordinator on the field. He's the hardest working QB in football, and his football IQ is the highest as well.
Was he sent to the Cardinals in 1998, he probably doesn't get the record for TDs, nor does he get to the playoffs, to say nothing of Wins or Losses there, but his talent would still be evident, if only to those lucky enough to watch Cards games.

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again...the system designed for him. On a lot of teams his talent would never be fully utilized. This is the case with many QB's

If Gary Kubiak coached Mike Vick...he probably be in the hunt for the superbowl every year.

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A:) someone had to choose him as their QB
B:) someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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You can say that all you want but bad organizations seem to get turned around real quick when they get lucky enough to find a franchise QB. I guess Jim Mora must have been a developmental genius.

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You've all got 2 weeks of hypothetical talk left. Peyton is winning this thing, even if he has to play left handed.

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Its kind of pathetic...but you realize how much abuse Manning will get if the Colts actually lose right? It will be crazy Manning bash time. Especially if he throws a couple of pics etc.

I figure its
Colts 27
Bears 20

but if its a upset it'll be
Bears 30
Colts 17

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the thing that makes manning great is that he is an offensive quarterback out on the field, no way will he lose this game, he got here there is no way he is gonna lose this one. Chicago has no offense and we saw what the Colts did to the teams that had no offense(ie the ravens),

Colts win
35-14 blow out no way the bears can stop Peyton, he is on too much of a roll

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Peyton is a great QB and is lucky that he was drafted by a organization that did such a solid job in terms of aquiring and keeping talent and building around him.

If Peyton is drafted by the Cardinals...no one mentions his name 20 years from now.

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The Colts pretty much were the Cardinals before Manning got there. Outside of one fluke year with Jim Harbaugh they had never won a playoff game since coming to Indy.

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Peyton isn't the reason they became great. Just like Brady isn't the reason NE won 3 superbowls.
He was a huge factor but

A:) someone had to choose him as their QB
B:) someone had to aquire WR's,Te's,Olinemen, a offensive cordinator who would realize what he had in Peyton and build the perfect system around him and his talent.

Anyone that thinks Peyton becomes an all time great QB regardless of what team he is drafted by/plays for his smoking some seriously strong weed.

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You can say that all you want but bad organizations seem to get turned around real quick when they get lucky enough to find a franchise QB. I guess Jim Mora must have been a developmental genius.

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Every QB drafted in the top 3 is a franchise qb.

If Jake Plummer is drafted by Bill Walsh instead of Buddy Ryan or whoever it was that drafted him....who knows how much better of a career he has or doesn't has.
Or better yet..if Mike Shanahan gets Mike Vick instead of Griese/bubby/Plummer etc

It makes ALL the difference. A Qb has to have the tools and talents,smart,drive etc...but you can't fit a square peg into a round hole no matter how hard u try.

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the thing that makes manning great is that he is an offensive quarterback out on the field, no way will he lose this game, he got here there is no way he is gonna lose this one. Chicago has no offense and we saw what the Colts did to the teams that had no offense(ie the ravens),

Colts win
35-14 blow out no way the bears can stop Peyton, he is on too much of a roll

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This is why I'm tempted to bet the Bears moneyline...Everyone is way underestimating the Bears it seems.

The Bears can put up points but it all depends on Grossman.
If Grossman has a solid game they could EASILY beat if not blowout the Colts.

Put Grossman playing well especially in the SB is a big if.