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The attack on stox was completely unjustified, particularly in a gambling world. Insurance is a wager, whether unjustified or not. Your attack on stoxpoker is the SAME attitude that all the lawmakers have against gambling in general; that it takes advantage of people's inability to control themselves etc. Any person should be able to make the rational decision as to whether they choose to accept or deny the wager.

Your outburst towards stoxpoker is similar to medieval attitudes towards Jews, where many people called them usurious scum. I would think we'd be above all that; particularly for something as benign as an offer of insurance. If a hurricane was headed to Florida, and Stox offered insurance to people in Alabama, where it was predicted there was only a 2% chance of the hurricane hitting, would you then have a similar outburst? Anyone who thinks their money is 100% safe in Neteller right now has been hitting the crackipipe too hard. It's obviously very likely to be safe, but there is always a chance, and many people WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY to save their rolls without worrying about it. That's not usury, it's life.

Also, shame on the mods who locked his thread. He's well respected enough and well established enough that if he's generous enough to offer that service to the thousands of nailbiting 2+2ers out there he should be applauded. I would assume we are all smart enough to negotiate a fair price, and don't need the government (mods) to protect us.


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William hates on Stoxpoker thread

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link?

I'm out of the loop

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done and done.

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1) OP: your Jew analogy is appallingly offensive and misplaced.

2) Stox's post did not belong in this forum for a number of reasons, and the mods were right to lock it, and this isn't even close.

3) William's reaction to it, however, was very disproportionate.

That's all there is to say about this situation.
Move on.

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1) OP: your Jew analogy is appallingly offensive and misplaced.

2) Stox's post did not belong in this forum for a number of reasons, and the mods were right to lock it, and this isn't even close.

3) William's reaction to it, however, was very disproportionate.

That's all there is to say about this situation.
Move on.

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I'm Jewish. The reason why I drew the analogy is because it's the same crap I hear about being a money loving Jew.

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I'm surprised any poker player would get upset about ethically taking advantage of someone's judgment. William, perhaps you should quit poker? That turn bet you made with the nuts is giving fish -EV odds!! You're a bad man for taking advantage of their ignorance.

Also, ROFL @ the Jew/Middle Ages reference. Not quite the same thing.

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I'm surprised any poker player would get upset about ethically taking advantage of someone's judgment. William, perhaps you should quit poker? That turn bet you made with the nuts is giving fish -EV odds!! You're a bad man for taking advantage of their ignorance.

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It's obviously not the same thing, and not even closely on the same scale. My point is William's outburst is of the same MENTALITY. Blame the only one willing to offer "usurious" services.

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Um, OK, well, welcome to my ignore list.

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William's attack was ridiculous. Beyond bizarre.

Some people want to feel safer and want to sleep at night.

No amount of reassurances from William or me or anyone else that their money is DEFINITELY safe in neteller is going to help some people.

Besides that, they are impatient and want it now and perhaps would be willing to pay whatever fee to get it as quickly as possible and will sleep better actually KNOWING that it's a done deal.

My GF took $3/mth insurance on her car-phone. She doesn't care that it's -EV and she will probably never need that insurance. It makes her feel better.
This is how insurance works in a LOT of situations is my understanding.


Stox posting it initially was fine. He probably didn't think it thorugh all the way. No biggie.
But he is trying to profit off this, right?
So for such a venture it obviously is more appropriate for him to buy an ad (on 2+2 or wherever else he chooses).

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Just out of interest...does anyone really believe he would have paid out?

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Great thread!
Now I know for sure who the biggest idiots in this forum are.

Keep them coming...

And to the original idiot, I couldn't care less if you are jewish, budhist, klingon or whatever does it for you, but I do think that offering "usurious" services is infame.

But then again, as I always say to people like you, when I sit at a dinner table and there is more than 1 knife and fork, I know wich one to use. Thank "God" for that!

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do you not know who stox is?
Of course he would have paid out.

He's also an extremely well-respected affiliate and it's not like thee are accusations flying of him stiffing his customers in that arena.

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MB, you obviously (once again) have no idea what you are talking about.

It is precisely because Stox is who he is that he should not have posted his offer.
But I really don't feel like explaining good manners and decency to people that can't apreciate them.

Noblesse oblige! (look it up in the dictionnary).

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I'd just as soon everybody drop it. I won't post about it again, and the pertinent threads are locked anyways. I'm off to bed and would love to not see this thread when i wake up in the morning. wishful thinking maybe.

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What % is Stox offering? I might be interested.

-Brendan

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It should be much reassurance is that someone like Stox is willing to buy the risk. if still not reassured then they can take advantage of Stox.

Seems win-win.

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No amount of reassurances from William or me or anyone else that their money is DEFINITELY safe in neteller is going to help some people.

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It should be much reassurance is that someone like Stox is willing to buy the risk. if still not reassured then they can take advantage of Stox.

Seems win-win.

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that was 100% my initial reaction.

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Just out of interest...does anyone really believe he would have paid out?

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ya rly.

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1) OP: your Jew analogy is appallingly offensive and misplaced.

2) Stox's post did not belong in this forum for a number of reasons, and the mods were right to lock it, and this isn't even close.

3) William's reaction to it, however, was very disproportionate.

That's all there is to say about this situation.
Move on.

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1) OP: your Jew analogy is appallingly offensive and misplaced.

2) Stox's post did not belong in this forum for a number of reasons, and the mods were right to lock it, and this isn't even close.

3) William's reaction to it, however, was very disproportionate.

That's all there is to say about this situation.
Move on.

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OK OK OK i get it. If I was offensive in my analogy, I apologize. Someone post the Internet Fighting/Special Olympics picture, because anytime I get sucked into one of those things I can't help picturing myself crossing the finish line...

Sorry if my analogy was out of line.

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Man, everybody must be drunk tonight or we are sadly having a precise insight of the average IQ of a ZOO poster. How sad!

The question has never been if Stox would pay or not. Of course I firmly believe that he would.
The question is that he is offering a Win-Win deal for himself . It is plain daylight robbery to offer an insurance for something that will never happen. It's like trying to sell miracle diet pills to desperate fat people, cure-all medicin or other crap like that.

If it had been a new poster nobody knows, notifying the moderator would have been enough, but BECAUSE it is a well known and respected (until now) poster, he should have never ever offered such a bad deal to his fellow posters (who looked up to him, again until today).

I can't believe somebody can be that retarded not to undestand what the problem was in this whole story.

Will he pay? MWAHAHAHAHA, really shows how dumb some people can be...

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Are you hyperventilating again now that (once again) I have shown you how little you understand?

Once a fool......

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Just wanted to point out that people were asking for insurance for days before Stox offered it so I don't see what the big deal is.

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Just wanted to point out that people were asking for insurance for days before Stox offered it so I don't see what the big deal is.

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There is no need for insurance (at least not fro the money that is in Neteller).

C'mon, how ridicolous can one be. People are just panicking as usual and in a few days everybody will realize that the money is safe.
But for a respected poster to try to take advantage of the situation it is unforgivable.

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Are you hyperventilating again now that (once again) I have shown you how little you understand?

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William - I have no axe to grind in any direction on this - but it is really necessary to be offensive to everyone who has the temerity to disagree with you? It hardly adds weight to your assertions and beliefs. It reminds me of the pointless hostility I see in the table chat and has just as little purpose here.

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Just wanted to point out that people were asking for insurance for days before Stox offered it so I don't see what the big deal is.

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There is no need for insurance (at least not fro the money that is in Neteller).

C'mon, how ridicolous can one be. People are just panicking as usual and in a few days everybody will realize that the money is safe.
But for a respected poster to try to take advantage of the situation it is unforgivable.

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If there is no need to worry, why don't you buy up everyone's neteller money at 100% less market interest for 4 weeks time it takes to get it out?

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Are you hyperventilating again now that (once again) I have shown you how little you understand?

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William - I have no axe to grind in any direction on this - but it is really necessary to be offensive to everyone who has the temerity to disagree with you? It hardly adds weight to your assertions and beliefs. It reminds me of the pointless hostility I see in the table chat and has just as little purpose here.

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Sorry dude but the guy with the ugly cat is an hypocrit and a coward. And in top of that he usually doesn't know what he is talking about.

And now, I am done with this thread. If people believe that what Stox posted is ok, and want to deal with him it must be their problem.
After all, the fish is allowed to donate it's money anyway it wants. Just sad to see how low the moral level is among poker players. But then again, as if I didn't allready know....

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If there is no need to worry, why don't you buy up everyone's neteller money at 100% less market interest for 4 weeks time it takes to get it out?

Gotmilk, in your own interest, you should shut up. You are making a fool of yourself in front of everybody. Soon people will think you and MicroBob are the same person. Talk about a bunch of unintelligent remarks.... LOL. Pathetic.

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William - I have no axe to grind in any direction on this - but it is really necessary to be offensive to everyone who has the temerity to disagree with you? It hardly adds weight to your assertions and beliefs. It reminds me of the pointless hostility I see in the table chat and has just as little purpose here.

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He's not just insulting me because I disagreed with him here.
He's insulted me on a few other occasions before and seems to have some issue with me personally.
Mentioning that I have no balls and stuff like that.


I didn't ignore him then because I thought it was still worth reading some of his insights. Whether or not I agreed with him I thought his perspective was worth listening to even if I didn't want to directly discuss things with him anymore.

But I've decided that even that isn't really worth it. His rudeness is just irritating so I'd rather do without it.


I do find it odd that he is accusing me of hyper-ventilating (I got to read what he said when you quoted him) when he is clearly pretty excited about 'how unforgiveable' Stox's actions are in all this.


He thinks his view is right. That's fine.
I agree that neteller is going to pay and that taking Stox's insurance is a sucker-play.
Just disagree that Stox actually offering it is such an unforgiveable offense. No biggie.

I agree that his tone does not lend credit to his argument.

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I guess we all will have to check with you next time we want to make a -EV gamble. Seriously dude, get over yourself. I think everyone around here has had enough people telling them what they can and can't do already.


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Like fish in a barrel. That's three this week.

Tuco.

Re: William who\'s next on your list? Moneylenders and Jews?
 

Funny how everybody seems to think that showing others that they are ignoring his posts is going to hurt the ignored person.

Is it here I am supposed to beg not to be ignored?

My life will never be the same now, I have lost 2 subjects from my beloved audience [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

WHY, OH WHY????

Re: William who\'s next on your list? Moneylenders and Jews?
 

Whats with all the edits in that thread? Everything seems to be as I remember it...

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i see absolutely nothing wrong with Stox post

He sees little risk ... some people do ... so he is willing to assume the risk for a fee

What is the problem

William .... settle down

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What was edited by the Mod, is me calling Stox names. The Mod was doing a good job.

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What % is Stox offering? I might be interested.

-Brendan

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PM him and find out. Would be interesting to know

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My favorite part of ignoring someone is that they can't help but respond anyway. William is obv Blufftroll's gimmick account.

Tuco.

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Sorry dude but the guy with the ugly cat is an hypocrit and a coward. And in top of that he usually doesn't know what he is talking about.

And now, I am done with this thread. If people believe that what Stox posted is ok, and want to deal with him it must be their problem.
After all, the fish is allowed to donate it's money anyway it wants. Just sad to see how low the moral level is among poker players. But then again, as if I didn't allready know....

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If people want to pay a % to make sure their money is safe it's their problem. Why the hell you rippin on him and everbody else is in this thread? You forget your meds today?

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Just wanted to point out that people were asking for insurance for days before Stox offered it so I don't see what the big deal is.

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There is no need for insurance (at least not fro the money that is in Neteller).

C'mon, how ridicolous can one be. People are just panicking as usual and in a few days everybody will realize that the money is safe.
But for a respected poster to try to take advantage of the situation it is unforgivable.

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wait wait wait wait... so you're saying that it's not up to me whether I think my funds are at risk in neteller? OH I GET IT, YOU'RE DECIDING IT FOR ME! THANKS WILLIAM! GOOD LOOKING OUT






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