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Discussion: Common preflop situations
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.
For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to.
For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> reraise pot Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> limp/fold to bb raise Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> fold Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> call, check flop if weak bet raise, fold to r/r unless u see two nines. jk. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> fold Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> raise pot, fold to r/r, if checked to on flop 2/3 pot Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> i like a liimp with no read, AA could be UTG. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> fold |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I'd raise to $10, CO and button's range is pretty wide here. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Standard raise to $2, but it can get tricky post flop, I'd hope to take it down with a CB. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I'd probably 50% raise here to $6, because we have a pretty solid hand, and 50% call because we're OOP for the rest of the hand. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call and see the flop hopefully with a 9, or at least no AKQJ. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I'd fold. Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2, MP seems weak and I have position. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I don't know here, I'd sometimes fold, call or raise with calling being the worst, since I don't indicate any strength and that makes it harder to take with a CB on the flop. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Sometimes call, sometimes fold. Fold more than call. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Pot size reraise sounds good. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Complete. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2. Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2.50, try to buy the button and get position on this hand. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call, try not to get involved in a big pot postflop if you hit your ace. Against tougher players, you might let this go, but here I think seeing a flop is okay. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call here, try to outplay MP after the flop. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $9. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Depends on CO. 80% fold, 20% raise to $7. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Depends on MP/CO/BTN. Raise 50%, fold 50% Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $2.50. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $3. Fold when your image is bad, etc. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Repot. [ QUOTE ] Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call so you can bust his a$$. [ QUOTE ] Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Fold, you have bupkis OOP. Consider a resteal vs. a lagtard/aggro 2+2er. [ QUOTE ] Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call so you can bust his a$$. [ QUOTE ] Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Folds on most tables, sometimes raises, sometimes minraises, sometimes calls, hope this helps. [ QUOTE ] Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Read-dependent, default is raise to 1. [ QUOTE ] Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Read-dependent, default is fold b/c your hand sux. [ QUOTE ] Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Turbo-muck. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Good thread.
[ QUOTE ] A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise ~9 Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Pretty read dependant really. Without reads ill probably tend towards folding this. If I found CO trying to steal my blind regularly then ill play back. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2 Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2.5 Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call without reads, if UTG and CO have a high VPIP and are folding to raises a lot then ill make it $3. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold. [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
I raise to 7.5 most times but sometimes just flat call.
II call, i don't like fd oop but since it is to the ace I will limp. I will raise this now and again but usually because I think CO is weak. III Without reads I call most of the time. I raise to 5.5 once in a while and fold sometimes but those decisions are based on reads. I am not a big fan of AJ these days and even when suited I am dubious oop and HU but it seems worth a call. IV Call (I used to raise this more often but I notice the people have become a bit more positionally aware in their pf play) V I will fold, limp (gasp!) and raise to 2 in roughly equal measure. VI Raise to 2.5 VII Raise to 3 or fold in about equal measure depending on my table image atm and looseness of blinds. If I just sat down with a whole table of unknowns I let this one go unless I feel extra frisky. VIII call about 2/3 and raise to 5.5 about 1/3. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
1. reraise to 7$
2. call (not sure about this. maybe a leak) 3. reraise to 7$ (read dependent. sometimes fold) 4. call 5. fold - bet about 70/30 % 6. raise to 2.5$ 7. raise to 2.5$ ( 8. call |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
pineapple888, don`t you think that min. raising 66 there gives to much info away ? People could put you on a small pp everytime you only min raise there.
Regarding 67s your completely right. I said call earlier, but with BB still behind to call and being out out position against 2 players your right. Turbo-Muck |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
How is he out of position?
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Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Here's my answers.
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> Re-raise to $9. I like a healthy re-raise here because we're going to be oop if it doesn't end pf. </font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I think calling is the best option readless. I could see arguments made for raising to $3ish or so. </font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I think folding is best here. Our hand isn't very great and we'll probably have trouble getting value from a flopped flush or worse Ax. However, if I was to play this hand I'd raise to $7. Calling here would be pretty horrible. </font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> Call for set value, nothing special here IMO. </font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I think this is a fold nearly allways. Sometimes I could raise to mix it up, but certainly not often. I'm not a fan of playing suited connectors oop.</font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> Raise to $2.5. I don't really like villains limping and by raising we get the initiative and position when button folds. </font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> Fold. Calling here would be horrible, we can't raise this crap for value and we're going to have a very hard time making all 4 villains fold to a steal. </font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I think both folding and calling are ok here. If we call there is a chanse that SB or BB will come along and we have position which helps us take down some pots postflop even if we don't hit. But there's certainly nothing wrong with just letting it go right here. </font> |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Hand1: Read dependant: Call or raise to $6.
Hand2: Call. Hand3: Fold. Hand4: Call. Hand5: Fold. SCs are overrated in 6 max. Hand6: Read dependant. Call or reraise to $6. Hand7: Read dependant. Fold or reraise to $4+ Hand8: Fold. (see 5) |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Grunching.
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises pot. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises pot or call, either is fine. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Folds. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Calls. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Folds, raises if bored. Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Calls or raises. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Calls. Not many real right or wrongs here. You cant go much wrong whatever you do. Postflop is the nuts. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> Fold. Calling here would be horrible, we can't raise this crap for value and we're going to have a very hard time making all 4 villains fold to a steal. </font></font> [/ QUOTE ] Calling here is perfectly fine. We dominate MANY hands that many villains like to limp (Ax, T9, JT, QT, KT). Raising is ok too for the same reason. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> RAISES TO $6.5 Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> OPPONENT SPECIFIC. AGAINST AN UNKNOWN, CALL. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> FOLDS<RAISE. MIGHT DO EITHER ONE DEPENDING. SOMETIMES I CALL, THOUGH I NOW REALISE THIS IS PRETTY BAD. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> CALLS Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> FOLDS, RAISE 20% OF THE TIME. Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> RAISES TO $2.5 Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> RAISES TO $2.75 Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> STANDARD IS TO CALL. I MIGHT RAISE HERE IF I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE VILLAIN WILL FOLD PF OR ON THE FLOP, THOUGH I MUST SAY I DO LOVE 3BETTING SCs PF. [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $7.5 Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] FOLD / Raise to 7.5 |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
I'm surprised so many people just call with 99 in hand #4...I raise here more often than not, maybe much more often. As for the rest, I agree with ticks.
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Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
I'm supised with the AJs hand, I call here, folding is so tight. I know we're oop, but we have a strong hand. All these depend on the villain obv. but most of the time I'll call, I'll raise in a few situations, and fold rarely.
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Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
*grunch*
[ QUOTE ] Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] usually call - our hand is too good to squeeze with and we sure as hell don't want to play a re-raised pot OOP vs possibly two villains that we have no reads on. Sometimes re-raise pot (say 30% or so) - Once we know what the villains calling ranges are preflop if re-raised then we can much better decide whether or not re-raising is the best play, as we're in the dark here somewhat I prefer to err on the side of caution and it's easy to c/f if a couple of overcards flop and the villains don't slow down postflop. On the rare occasions the BB raises just fold preflop as we'd not have the implied odds then to call for set value (unless *both* CO & button flat call the 3bet as then we're closing the preflop action and have oodles of implied odds) [ QUOTE ] Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] usually raise to ~$2.50. CO's range is likely to be quite wide so punish his preflop loose limp planning to CB almost any flop. Sometimes overlimp (20% of the time) hope to make a flush by the turn, or hope that CO/BB size their bets poorly enough to allow you to draw profitably if possible. [ QUOTE ] Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] usually re-raise pot. Again CO's range is likely way behind our holding - as we don't have a made hand yet raise to gain the initiave and plan to scoop the pot with a CB. (sometimes call ~10% of the time and hope the flop is kind or we can float villain off his mediocre hand on the turn) [ QUOTE ] Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] almost always call. Try to flop a set/OESD or an overpair. Depending on the flop and the action usually c/f if we miss completely - raising is pretty much worthless as it destroys our implied odds and we don't know enough about villains postflop game yet for another play to be better. [ QUOTE ] Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] fold. No value at all in playing this hand with no reads. [ QUOTE ] Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] raise to $2.50 - we want the pot to be raised so that when we flop the set we can get stacks in easier. We also want to fold the button preflop so we get position on later rounds. [ QUOTE ] Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] overlimp - our hand is crap and we may well be dominated by AJ or TT - see a flop hope to flop a nut draw in position - or TPWK that we can get to SD cheap as we have position. If we have reads on the limpers raising is probably better, but as they'll likely both call our raise, which leaves us somewhat in the dark as to what kind of hands they might hold and we can't buy postion with a raise here there is very little point in raising I think. It's likely that neither has TT or AJ and that if they did they'd have raised - but as we have no reads yet we don't know how they'd play those hands preflop so it's best I think to keep the pot smaller and hope to flop big. [ QUOTE ] Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] call. Plan on calling a flop bet as well if we make 1 pair or flop a good draw and either float villain off his hand on the turn if he bets weakly or mak a nice fat value bet and then hope to get called instead if our draw hits or we turn 2pairs - perhaps we can stack his overpair hand or make an oddball nut straight on a K458 board. C/f if we miss the flop totally. Edit: just read the other responses. for both the ATo hand and the 67cc hand we are OTB. I am surprised most people want to fold these. When we are in position we can apply maximum pressure if we choose to which forces the villains to make a good hand to call with. the ATo hand our implied odds are enormous as we are just limping. I am a bit of a station OTB - but I play so tightly from EP I can afford to splash chips about often when I'm OTB and look to make straights/flushes/trips or make a good read and move villains off whiffed overcards with a timely turn raise. Oftentimes at $50NL a villain opening in MP has unpaired broadway cards or a middling pp. It's fairly easy to raise these people off those types of hands if they whiff the flop, but again I have a very tight image generally because I play soooo tight from EP which helps here (people looking at my PT stats see 19/15 or so - they don't spot that UTG/EP I'm running 9/9 and OTB I'm 40/30 they just go with what they see on their screen (suckers) - if your game is faster and looser you get less respect and villains are slightly more apt to call you down. tbh I think that a lot depends on your own image and whats right for one might be disasterous for another. great thread tho. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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call fold/raise/call (in order of preference) call fold/raise raise raise fold/raise/call |
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I'm surprised so many people just call with 99 in hand #4...I raise here more often than not, maybe much more often. As for the rest, I agree with ticks. [/ QUOTE ] Raising is absolutely an option. Calling is fine too. I think we might get more value out of hands we are ahead of if we just call though. |
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Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Reraise to $8 Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Reraise to $6.5 Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $2,5 Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise to $3 Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call |
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I'm surprised so many people just call with 99 in hand #4...I raise here more often than not, maybe much more often. [/ QUOTE ] you're OOP once the flop comes for the rest of the hand - I tend to assume that most players play a little tighter from EP than they do from LP so I'd think villain would call our re-raise often with whatever he has - and often times here we are WB to TT+ or will be behind when villain pairs one of his broadway cards on the flop/turn. Raising here drops us headfirst into a reverse implied odds spot - and thats not cool. I'd raise 99 more often if we had position or a read - but my default play here is to smooth call until I have more of a handle on how UTG plays potflop. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
In general people shouldnt worry too much about preflop, except for a few obvious pitfalls.
1. Calling raises with easily/likely dominated hands. 2. Calling raises OOP with non-pair hands. 3. Playing pocket pairs for set value without proper implied odds. 4. [insert your own] You can add more if you have reads, say building big pots preflop with non premium hands against loose callstations, etc. |
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Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $9. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Depends on CO. 80% fold, 20% raise to $7. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Depends on MP/CO/BTN. Raise 50%, fold 50% Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $2.50. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero raises to $3. Fold when your image is bad, etc. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hero calls. [/ QUOTE ] i do almost tha exact same thing aas jogsaw here. except i fold T9s utg about 80% of the time. everything else is exactly tha same for me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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I'm not very confident about a lot of my answers, but I do disagree with some of the responses I've seen so I'll have a stab...
1. Raise to pot, hopefully getting HU and then leading most flops. 2. Raise to 6BBs 3. With no reads I'd probably let him take it, but I think this a good hand to 3 bet with from the blinds, so if I did that I would probably raise to ~$8. Calling is probably bad. 4. Call. 5. Fold mostly, but sometimes raise to 3 or 4 BB. Say if it's clubs I'd raise, fold others. 6. Raise to 5BB. 7. Call, but might raise to 6 or 7 BB. 8. Call first hand at a table, but I'll often 3 bet this once I've got comfortable. Readless I don't think I ever fold. |
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Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Re-raise to $8 [ QUOTE ] Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call 70%, fold 30% [ QUOTE ] Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Re-raise to $8 [ QUOTE ] Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call [ QUOTE ] Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise 50%, fold 50% pqyite[Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $2 [ QUOTE ] Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $3 [ QUOTE ] Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises... to 8.50 Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise if CO will fold, call if CO or BB will go too far. Readless, I'll try raising to see what happens. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Readless, I fold. I hate folding here and will look for any excuse to call or reraise. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Almost always a call. If I know UTG is not positionally aware, and can fold, I'll raise, but that's a pretty rare combination. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises 2 Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raises. 2.40 Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I hate this hand, but can't keep from calling at least some of the time. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> yum yum. calls in position. |
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] #1=Raise to $10 #2=Open complete #3= 3bet to $8 #4=Call #5=Fold (raising is a close second) #6=Raise to $2.25 #7=Raise to $3 #8=Call These are all my default plays. |
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue">repot that holla</font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I Limp/fold this vs unknowns, if CO had a high fold to cbet, I'd raise</font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue">grrr... I might fold this and be peeved. I like this hand in Limit, so it's hard for me</font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue">call normally for set value, had the raise been from CO or later, I would repop this to pot/slightly under pot a large part of the time. If I know UTG was a loose raiser, I would also repop this most of the time.</font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue">absolutely readless and no history at the table? Fold, If I haven't played a hand in a few orbits, or have shown down a monster recently, I raise to pot or 4xbb</font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> usually raise this to 4xbb</font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue"> I've been folding this... I feel like I should call though</font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> <font color="blue">default is to fold.</font> [/ QUOTE ] |
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> I prefer just to call with jacks. You have position over the preflop raiser. By three betting it will be very easy to play for stacks, but I think by keeping the pot smaller, you can float this hand much better and try to take it away just on the origianlal raisers being out of position. Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> You can raise or just overcall. Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold, this one can be dominated too easy and not enough to just call for flush value. Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Call for set value. Posibly call c-bet with just one over and try to take pot away on the river if it gets checked thru on the turn. Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Fold. T9 can get in trouble if it flops top two or bottom str8 as bigger hands can be made since the cards that you need are in the playing zone. See Supersystem for longer explanation. I'd much rather have 76 or 87 in this situation, and then raise with them. Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Raise try to win blinds, cbet if you dont flop a set and if you flop a set, extract as much as you can, its going to be a hidden set. Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> raise and c-bet Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] fold or possibly call if MP is a station. |
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#1 --> Raise to about 8
#2 --> Call #3 --> Bleh, call, hate playing out of position #4 --> Raise to 6 #5 --> Raise to 2 #6 --> Raise to 2.5 #7 --> Raise to 3 #8 --> Fold |
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#3 --> Bleh, call, hate playing out of position [/ QUOTE ] if you hate playing OOP why why why why whyyyyyyy call? you're setting yourself up for misery. |
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero reraises to $8.</font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero completes.</font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero calls. </font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero calls.</font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero folds. </font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $2.50.</font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero raises to $3.00.</font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero calls. </font> [/ QUOTE ] |
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Hand 1: Reraise to 9-10. Bet flop unless it is super scary.
Hand 2: Usually limp. Once in a while though I'd raise to about 2.5 and c/bet flop. Hand 3: With no reads I would probably call sometimes, fold sometimes. Hand 4: Call. Hnad 5: Fold. Hand 6: Raise to 2.5, c/bet flop. Hand 7: Call. Hand 8: Fold. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> reraises pot Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> completes Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> calls Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> reraises pot i'd like to charge the overs and i dont want to call oop vs smaller pps Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> raise pot Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> raise pot Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> fold. Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> raises/folds [/ QUOTE ] |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] 1) Hero makes it $9. 2) Hero completes. 3) Readless I'd fold. 4) Hero calls. 5) Hero folds. 6) Hero makes it $2.50 7) Hero makes it $3 8) Readless fold. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] I normally call here but raising to $8-$10 is also good. [ QUOTE ] Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] I generally call but I've been thinking about raising this type of hand from the sb after a late position limper as their range is often quite wide and the BB could have any two cards, if CO likes to limp a lot but won't always call a raise then I'd raise to $2.50. [ QUOTE ] Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Fold almost always, I don't like playing this out of position to a raise, if I did play it I would reraise to $8. [ QUOTE ] Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call. [ QUOTE ] Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Fold 80%, Raise to $2 20%. [ QUOTE ] Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $2.50. [ QUOTE ] Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $3, sometimes limp behind, A9o and lower I fold. [ QUOTE ] Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Generally fold, call sometimes, if CO had called the raise I'd be more likely to call. |
Re: Discussion: Common preflop situations
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A couple of common preflop situations. If you say raise, include also how much to raise to. For all hands, assume: 50NL, 6 players 100bb stacks No reads Hand #1: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Button calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $6 [ QUOTE ] Hand #2: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Calls. [ QUOTE ] Hand #3: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO raises to $2, 2 folds, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Fold. I hate AJ beyond word, esp. OOP. [ QUOTE ] Hand #4: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG raises to $2, folds around, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Calls. [ QUOTE ] Hand #5: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Fold. Limp if the table is somewhat passive. [ QUOTE ] Hand #6: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $2.50 [ QUOTE ] Hand #7: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Raise to $3. [ QUOTE ] Hand #8: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 1 fold, MP raises to $2, 1 fold, <font color="red"> Hero? </font> [/ QUOTE ] Call |
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