I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

25/22/10 ~ 66 hands

Whats ya river plan? I'm assuming turn is ok.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero...

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

holy crud... I see Q's, 8's playing it this way. I think KK/AA need to be seriously reduced... nobody caps a paired board with AA/KK do they?

I c/c the river. You beat the 8's (1) but lose to the Q's(3).

Ah crap... just realized that AT might play this way... ugh. I'll resort to my weak-self and stick to c/c the river.

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

c/r/call river

c/c'ing the river is really weak tight.

villain plays J9, AT and sometimes worse tens than that like this

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

Bet and call a raise. You are only behind to QT and QQ but AT, KT, JT, J9, 88 and possibly KcJc plays it like villain.

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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c/r/call river

c/c'ing the river is really weak tight.

villain plays J9, AT and sometimes worse tens than that like this

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That's what I went for but it was quite uncomfortable calling his 3b. Tho I never considered folding to it.

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EDIT: NVM

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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The reason I didn't consider betting is 'cause I don't think villain ever checks the river thru here.

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

jeez i kinda wanna check-raise the river, I mean how the heck am I really beat here? He could very well have KT/AT/JT and can't believe you have a boat. It's just so rare for you to be beat here that I think I'm going to check-raise this river and call a 3bet. No way am I checking and letting him off scott free.

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B/C is conservative.

C/R//C is aggressive.

Pick one. I like the former. He could have QT (or even QQ.)

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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The reason I didn't consider betting is 'cause I don't think villain ever checks the river thru here.

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Yes. Didnt realise that. So I like a c/r/c better.

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I bet/call the river. FH vs. FH is rare.

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The reason I didn't consider betting is 'cause I don't think villain ever checks the river thru here.

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it's not about the villian not betting, it's about not putting in 3BB on the river after putting in 4 on the turn. This is not a fish we are dealing with.

If you c/r this river, and get 3bet, you will be losing almost always, but can't fold

Bet/calling puts in two bets, which is better than 1, and much better than 3.

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

I don't see how putting in 2 bets is any better than 3. You're screwed just about as much when he raises your bet vs. when he 3-bets your check raise. The only difference is the ratio between the bets you win and lose. 3:2 is better than 2:1, so checking the river is better unless he reacts amazingly different to a bet vs. a check raise (hint: he won't).

The decision really is between check calling and check raising. I think he has a ten or straight often enough to take the 3:2 deal. Calling a 3-bet hurts, but so does calling a raise if you bet. It's just cool when you get two bets out of KT or a straight, which won't happen if you lead after his turn cap.

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C/R then call a 3-bet, I have no doubt in my mind.

J9, QT, QQ, 88 are all played like this 100% of the time

17 combinations you beat
6 combinations you don't beat

Add in some AT's, a few way over played AA/KK's now and again and I think playing it any other way is clearly inferior.

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

dude his af is 10 with normal vpip and pf #'s. I like the way you played it. I c/r the river and call his 3 bet..a cap is too much for me here.

I say 65% of the time he has either J9 or Q10 here.

Re: I\'ve got a boat but wtf has he got?
 

I think you can beat a lot of hands he would play this way. You are losing to QQ, QT, Q8. You are ahead of J9, Tx, perhaps an overaggressive player may get carried away w/ K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . In any case, there are a lot more combinations of hands that can't beat yours. He will almost certainly bet the river if you check, I see a turn cap for free SD as a rare play. I would check/raise the river and call a 3B.