2/4 why do you keep betting, I am confused
 

I raise 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to 14 from the CO. Button calls, blinds fold. I've never played with villain before but he's obviously a 2+2'er. Standard tight stats over too small a sample to be worth mentioning. My image is tight if he has been paying attention. However most 2+2 just assume I'm crazy the first time we play so whatever.

Flop is 8 6 6 rainbow, I bet 30 into 34, he raises to 111. I think and call.

Turn is the J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to match the 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the board. I check, he thinks for quite a while (eats in to the last 15 sec) and bets 140 into 256. Que?

Your move. fwiw my feel was that he did not have a 6.

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Pretty easy fold. He has a better 8 here at the least, no?

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fold the flop yo'

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fold the flop yo'

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If you are going to make comments like this you need to atleast defend your point.

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how about "you're almost always behind, even when you're ahead he will often force you to fold on the turn, you have little chance to improve, and even when you do improve you might still be losing/chopping"?

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how about "you're almost always behind, even when you're ahead he will often force you to fold on the turn, you have little chance to improve, and even when you do improve you might still be losing/chopping"?

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Yea that works. I say this because other people were saying he was giving bad advice in one of my threads. He might get better discussion going by explaining.

Re: 2/4 why do you keep betting, I am confused
 

was one of the 6s a heart? otherwise folding flop is normally the best thing to do

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Flop is 8 6 6 rainbow,

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Standard tight stats

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fwiw my feel was that he did not have a 6.

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well, trust your read, really. thats what the game comes down to.

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I'd just fold the flop, even if you are ahead, it's going to be difficult to play this OOP.

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I like a smaller bet on flop. It has about as much f/e, more against some players, as bigger bet. Additionally, if you bet 20 on flop, he makes it 55. If you think he's doesnt have the six, you can make it 140 or so and be done with it if called. In this way you may fold out his better 8, or maybe even 99-JJ type hand. You also discourage him from taking advantage when you're OOP. Additionally, you avoid this spot on turn, where any move by you commits you.

If you bet flop small, and 3 bet, he's making decision for his chips, not you.

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I'd just fold the flop, even if you are ahead, it's going to be difficult to play this OOP.

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I'd just fold the flop, even if you are ahead, it's going to be difficult to play this OOP.

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Lucky,

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I like a smaller bet on flop. It has about as much f/e, more against some players, as bigger bet.

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But I'm not looking for fold equity; I'm ahead of his calling range here. Also I hate 3-betting the flop against anyone decent, I would only do it to induce a shove really.

Surprised at all the people who say to just fold the flop. It's hard enough for him to have a better hand here. If we're bet-folding then is that really better than checking?


Anyhow, I shoved the turn. Comments?

Re: 2/4 why do you keep betting, I am confused
 

If I am calling the flop bet, i am folding to that scary ass turn bet. But vs. a player I haven't played with I don't think I am EVER calling that flop.

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I like it. tight players are looking for any reason to fold on a low paired board, and your hand looks so strong here.
I think he has an 8(A8,98s,T8s, Q8s?) 55, 77 and maybe TT. All of which he will likely fold.

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I think he has an 8(A8,98s,T8s, Q8s?) 55, 77 and maybe TT. All of which he will likely fold.

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He basically never has any of these hands unless he's drunk or my 2p2 read is off. He may raise the flop with them some % of the time but he's going to check then behind on that turn card.

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if i call the flop, which i could go either way on, i'd definitely do it with the intention of folding any turn.