hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

I won't includ tongni in this because I don't know to what extent he was involved with this.



Here is where it started: After day 2 of the PCA, I met up with gobbo, PrimeTime, and shaundeeb at the deli for dinner. shaun had just busted, and gobbo had just doubled me up. PrimeTime was still in as well. Locutus2002 also joined us near the end of the meal. We talked about a wide range of topics, and at some point, it turned to HIV. I played with HIV for the last level of the day, and had playfully mentioned to him when he sat down that "I was an employee of the gildwulf corporation during the PCA" since nath had a sizeable percentage of my action in the event. We had a small laugh about it and went on with play.

Shaun started talking about how him and tongni had discussed using HIV's account after he busted out to sit in the highest stakes games that people could believe HIV could afford to play with the PCA money. Tongni would sit in the game using HIV's account and bait people into taking shots and absolutely destroy them. At the time, I didn't think anything of it, since I didn't think they'd specifically target nath and gildwulf.


Fast forward to tonight: my roommate at the PCA, EC10, and I were heading to the lobby of the Coral Tower, where everyone is on their laptop gambling, to meet up with Jurollo, coxquinn, BadgerPro, TwistedEcho, and several others. Since it's taking a while to get everyone together, I went to the bar and ordered a glass of wine and started chatting with AaronBeen and KUSH. A few minutes into the conversation, HIV comes up to me and asks me if I have nath's phone number. I tell him I do, but it's on my phone back in the hotel room. I told him that if he wanted to get it, to walk with me back to the room and I'd give it to him.

About halfway down the long corridor between the first wing and the library, I realize that they might be setting nath and gildwulf up, so I asked HIV straight up if this is what their plan was because shaun had talked to me about the plan two nights earlier, <u>and HIV said no.</u>

We got into the room and I gave HIV the number, fully believing that he just needed to talk to nath, but I had an odd feeling about it when the second I handed the number to him, he darted off out of the room and didn't even wait for me to walk back to the lobby with him. A minute or two later I reached the lobby, about 20-30 seconds behind HIV, and I immediatelly bumped into Jurollo, coxquinn, BadgerPro, and the rest of the crew I was going to Senor Frogs with.

They said they had been told otherwise, that they were getting nath's number specifically to set up a match vs gildwulf, where tongni would be playing on HIV's account, and that they were heading upstairs to Jurollo's room (I think, it might have been someone else's room). I was going to go with them, but then thought "WTF?" and turned back around and headed toward HIV, where I saw him sitting down with shaundeeb and tongni.

I went right up to HIV and basically said "what the [censored]? you lied right to my face when I asked you if this is what you wanted nath's number for. I would never ever have given you the number of one of my best friends in order for you to try and completely [censored] him out of money."

HIV denied this was the case, but at that point there was nothing I could really do about it. A few moments later everyone came back down off the elevator and said that they had notified gilfwulf and nath and that everything should be fine, so we headed off to Senor Frog's. I just got back about 30 minutes ago and saw this and started typing....sorry for any grammatical errors.


So in short, HIV and shaundeeb are the worst kind of scum and are clearly pieces of [censored] in my mind. Anyone with half a brain can look at their posts tonight and figure that out on their own, I really don't think they'll need to read this as well to figure it all out, but just in case, I'm making thi thread as a warning. I don't know anything about tongni so I'll reserve my judgement until I have an opinion.

If HIV and shaun have anything to say to me, I'm sure they won't have a hard time finding me around the resort tomorrow.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

I also want to add, a good reputation is all that you can ever really hope to have as a professional gambler, and these two have done irreparable damage to their's tonight.

In short, go to hell and die for trying to use me as a pawn to [censored] my friend out of money. Seriously.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

It is REALLY pissing me off that HIV is getting more flak for this than tongni.

Like, what the [censored]?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Ok, the whole other thread is now completely validated by this.

So... Tongni is in this 100% as much as HIV. He deserves a kick in the nuts just as much.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Wow, this is so incredibly low. Really classy guys.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

shaundeeb in other thread:

[ QUOTE ]
gild it's ok you won your roll from tourneys, thats fine but thinking you are above everyone in poker and on the forum since you are green is laughable.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Also, all of you can bash me all you want considering how none of us did anything. You guys humor me

[/ QUOTE ]

YOU'RE THE MAN NOW DOG

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

omg! its TONGNI! o0o0o0o0o hes gonna get all ur phlewtz! =(=(

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Tough post to make. nh.

Lori

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

PS I still don't think this is even remotely as vile as what grimm did.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

How you can call HIV and shaundeeb total scum, but not tongni?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

A For nazi mod hate.
F for being cheating scum.
F on execution.
F for cheating and still losing.

Final grade: Below BBV average. Even I feel dirty wishing this on Gildwulf. If they could of kept it under wraps and actually did manage to cheat I might consider giving it a C-.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

omg whoz tongni! drama!

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

MrTimCaum,

What information do you have about last night, GildCorp vs. HIV III, and the suspected angle shooting there? Was there intentional manipulation, or were people just gathered around saying random drunk crap to HIV while he played the freezout? To be direct, did Gild end up whipping tongni's ass HU regardless?

Tonight's events are utterly ridiculous, it goes without saying.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

In my opinion HIV is less of this than Tongni, and Shaun isn't scum really(just kind of a douche)

HIV sort of had a motive, GW makes fun of him, beats him, it's all over the net etc. etc.

Tongni? Solely in this for the money... heartless.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
I also want to add, a good reputation is all that you can ever really hope to have as a professional gambler

[/ QUOTE ]

(nonsarcastically) What about money?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
PS I still don't think this is even remotely as vile as what grimm did.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still don't know the actual story behind this, but I knew there is one. Link or short version?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

tongni was just as involved from what ive read. i can see hiv getting pressured into this to be "cool".

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
In my opinion HIV is less of this than Tongni, and Shaun isn't scum really(just kind of a douche)

HIV sort of had a motive, GW makes fun of him, beats him, it's all over the net etc. etc.

Tongni? Solely in this for the money... heartless.

[/ QUOTE ]

this sounds pretty good, but maybe its just because i like shaun and want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

and dramabomb, innernets is serious, head-asplode, etc, etc

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
PS I still don't think this is even remotely as vile as what grimm did.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still don't know the actual story behind this, but I knew there is one. Link or short version?

[/ QUOTE ]
short version is in the topic title, long version is in first post. wtf are you asking for?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
PS I still don't think this is even remotely as vile as what grimm did.

[/ QUOTE ]

Still don't know the actual story behind this, but I knew there is one. Link or short version?

[/ QUOTE ]
short version is in the topic title, long version is in first post. wtf are you asking for?

[/ QUOTE ]

about grim, not about hiv

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Agreed to an all-in blind for $5k then folded garbage.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

so much drama in bbv these days

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Well I don't like Shaun and I've talked to him and I don't think he's a cool guy by anyone's definition of the word but:

Shaun is a MTT NL player and therefore probably the worst LHE player ever.

I really think that Shaun was doing this to try and be cool or maybe just to see the action etc. etc. be a part of something etc. etc. Somewhat goes for HIV.

I see Sean as the guy not fighting Nazis. I mean just because you aren't doing everything you can to stop something(OP) Doesn't mean you adamently support it.

PS BBV results-basedaments

who won that match anyways?
SHIP.
IT.
CRUCIAL

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I also want to add, a good reputation is all that you can ever really hope to have as a professional gambler

[/ QUOTE ]

(nonsarcastically) What about money?

[/ QUOTE ]

Without people to give you action, your money is useless.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

I've been unable to reach my phone since I boarded the plane for Melbourne, so I didn't get any of the messages, and everything I've heard is from today/tonight. Wow.

The fact that it's not just random scum schmoes but people I have trusted in some capacity before makes it that much more disturbing.

I'm shocked, appalled, and deeply disappointed.

I also agree that tongni shares just as much of the blame as the other two, although I've yet to decide if HIV deserves the most or a merely equal share

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

Just kids being kids. I dont know why anybody would trust young douchebag poker pros to begin with, so who really cares...

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

jesus christ this year is already filled with so much drama

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

so much drama in the bbv,
its kinda hard bein' shaundeeb, hiv, and tongi

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
but maybe its just because i like shaun and want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[/ QUOTE ]
So did I, but facts is facts and his posts in the other thread make his position pretty clear

[ QUOTE ]
and dramabomb, innernets is serious, head-asplode, etc, etc

[/ QUOTE ]
Guess what, this involves a large sum of real money, and calling my cell phone has nothing to do with the internet, so stfu

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
I've been unable to reach my phone since I boarded the plane for Melbourne, so I didn't get any of the messages, and everything I've heard is from today/tonight. Wow.

The fact that it's not just random scum schmoes but people I have trusted in some capacity before makes it that much more disturbing.

I'm shocked, appalled, and deeply disappointed.

I also agree that tongni shares just as much of the blame as the other two, although I've yet to decide if HIV deserves the most or a merely equal share

[/ QUOTE ]

Not aimed at you nath, but I think that people critisising OP for keeping an open mind on tongni are forgetting that the OP can decide what he likes. He's given us the facts, or at least what appear to be the facts. It's not like he wrote tongni out of the story.

Lori

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
so much drama in the bbv,
its kinda hard bein' shaundeeb, hiv, and tongi

[/ QUOTE ]


I shouldve set a line on when somebody was going to say this.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
Just kids being kids. I dont know why anybody would trust young douchebag poker pros to begin with, so who really cares...

[/ QUOTE ]
You're an ass hole

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
so much drama in the bbv,
its kinda hard bein' shaundeeb, hiv, and tongi

[/ QUOTE ]


I shouldve set a line on when somebody was going to say this.

[/ QUOTE ]

it flows so perfectly doesnt it?

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I've been unable to reach my phone since I boarded the plane for Melbourne, so I didn't get any of the messages, and everything I've heard is from today/tonight. Wow.

The fact that it's not just random scum schmoes but people I have trusted in some capacity before makes it that much more disturbing.

I'm shocked, appalled, and deeply disappointed.

I also agree that tongni shares just as much of the blame as the other two, although I've yet to decide if HIV deserves the most or a merely equal share

[/ QUOTE ]

Not aimed at you nath, but I think that people critisising OP for keeping an open mind on tongni are forgetting that the OP can decide what he likes. He's given us the facts, or at least what appear to be the facts. It's not like he wrote tongni out of the story.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]
I know the OP quite well and trust his judgment on matters such as this. That said, from the evidence at hand, the only thing tongni hasn't done that the other two have is make a really stupid self-incriminating post in the other thread

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

With this much hatred already, I would've hated to see what would have happend if "hiv" would have won.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Just kids being kids. I dont know why anybody would trust young douchebag poker pros to begin with, so who really cares...

[/ QUOTE ]
You're an ass hole

[/ QUOTE ]

The whole situation is like a script from a sitcom. Two people acting like idiots, somebody figures out their stupid plan and no harm is done.

It reminds me of an episode of saved by the bell.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]


[ QUOTE ]
and dramabomb, innernets is serious, head-asplode, etc, etc

[/ QUOTE ]
Guess what, this involves a large sum of real money, and calling my cell phone has nothing to do with the internet, so stfu

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe 0evg0 was saying this one tongue-in-cheek, but the point really stands, anybody who can't understand how this is a real scam with real money in real life should reevaluate things.

The innernet isn't necessarily 'real life' but with did it become some mythical magical fantasy land? This [censored] is real.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

TC,

Thanks for making this post, and I agree completely that HIV and shaundeeb are scum if what you post is true, plus so is togni.

However, the following makes you seem not exactly scum-free yourself:

"Tongni would sit in the game using HIV's account and bait people into taking shots and absolutely destroy them. At the time, I didn't think anything of it, since I didn't think they'd specifically target nath and gildwulf."

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

[ QUOTE ]
With this much hatred already, I would've hated to see what would have happend if "hiv" would have won.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, im kind of saddened by all this because i was actually rooting for hiv to win that HU match.

Re: hiv and shaundeeb are total scum
 

nath from the times i have spoken with you have seemed like a nice guy. the fact that some people here have taken advantage of that is really sickening and i really do wish you the best in future endeavors. the people who are saying, or will be saying, "its no big deal" clearly dont understand that you did have a big amount of money at risk in a situation that you didnt agree to.