J9s turn
 

Villan and I clashed earlier in our blind battle that I posted (QQ hand). This hand is a few orbits later, and he is quite aggro. How do you handle this turn? Is there any merit in raising? I think his range is often either air/sometimes a draw. I think he might have 2p sometimes, something like KT or maybe sometimes a set. He might be on tilt because of a recent suckout where his AA lost to KK.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $183.45
CO: $153.80
orange: $300
SB: $106.40
BB: $233.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) orange is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">orange raises to $8</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $13</font>, SB calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($44, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, orange call/raise/eh?

Re: J9s turn c/r-ed
 

Isnt this a fold because he only has about $50 behind him?

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yeah, fold is def an option too i think. i forgot to mention stack sizes.

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call

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I dont think a raise is a good idea.. if he is on tilt I think he is even more likely to call you.

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i think its a call. hes giving you about 3:1 on your money here. i hate raising in this spot though.

what is up with a cr you speak of?

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Folding or raising is not an option, easy call.

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I think a call is good. It's close since he's only got around $60 left, but since you say he may be tilting, I think you'd be able to get the rest if you hit.

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Call, and I don't see a C/R. Converter messed up?

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sorry, fixed title.

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Implied odds: 130 to 24 or so if we can stack if we hit, that's good enough to call given that we are 3.5 to 1.

Re: J9s turn
 

i definitely call this. you have 9 immediate outs most likely which he probly wouldnt put u on a flush draw. u got 3 Qs(1s a heart) and ur J might be good here(but might not) so u got @ least 12 outs thatll give u the winning hand. if u back into a straight or flush its unlikely he will put u on it plus u got position. ez call=)

Re: J9s turn
 

a few options here. the best one i think is to push, really because SB is pretty short. obv KT insta calls you, but any ten (or less!) has a pretty tough time calling. of course, him calling w/ NFD would suck (losing to ace high ouch!)

his stop and go, esp. half pot, is definately pretty weak. I really dont think a set plays this way, more often they're c/r the flop and pushing the turn, or c/c c/r turn. [given the fd on flop]

a call puts 92 in the pot with effective stack ~60. if he bet more id just call because it would seem he's not folding... this is a bet he intends to fold to a push.

edit: Fold is out of the question. hero has 12 outs (very rarely are ANY tainted) and its a half pot bet. even w/o implied odds this is at the minimum a call.

if the turn was like a rag heart id prefer just calling because a ten wont fold. this is a good scare card to make his likely hand lay down.

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if he's deeper (so that a push is awkward, like if he had a full stack) a call is nicer. moreso bc both draws are disguised so if he does wake up w/ a set you stack him in a larger pot. and if he has like QT and you hit the straight you win a big one, etc etc

Re: J9s turn
 

easy call

i have a hard time believing hes folding any T or better. Shorties like to showdown any resemblance of a hand that they may flop

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easy call

i have a hard time believing hes folding any T or better. Shorties on tilt like to showdown any resemblance of a hand that they may flop

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Re: J9s turn
 

I did a quick calculation to weigh pushing vs. calling here. I assumed we have 12 outs and if we call, we'll get his stack about 2/3 of the time on the river.

The point where pushing became more profitable was if he folds about 1/3 of the time. I'm new to NL and still learning how to read hands well so I'm not quite sure how often we can expect him to fold here, but it seems you could make a legitimate case for pushing.

Re: J9s turn
 

call, in addition too your outs there are some scarecards that can come, club etc. .that you can bluff at if he checks to you.

Re: J9s turn c/r-ed
 

I say fold. You are getting 3-1 on your money. You are roughly 24% to make your hand. To make it worse you don't have the nut flush draw. I think fold is an option. But, if you are willing to make the call realize he will most likely bet the rest of his money no matter what the river is.

Re: J9s turn c/r-ed
 

well, i called, river came a J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he checked, i thought my hand had decent showdown value and was tempted to shove for value, but decided to check behind. he had Q7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and mhig. thanks for replies.