1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

MP is 51/11/1.3 but has been fairly aggro postflop. Rest of table is fairly normal low stakes loose/passive.

How's my line including preflop? Should I raise the river?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
burningchips calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, burningchips folds, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

This is good. I'd rather raise preflop though.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

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This is good. I'd rather raise preflop though.

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I don't understand why you would raise PF.

OP your hand looks good the way you played it.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

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This is good. I'd rather raise preflop though.

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I don't understand why you would raise PF.

OP your hand looks good the way you played it.

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It's good to thin the field and to get initiative. And limper prolly has even worse hand.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Is it wrong to bet here?

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

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Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Is it wrong to bet here?

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I thought about it, but I estimate my FE to be around zero, and any pair has a slight equity advantage on me, right?

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

with this hand I'd prefer more ppl in the pot rather than thinning the field, besides there are 2 limpers &amp; we don't know anything about the blinds.

I'm curious would you iso-raise with JTo?

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

looks good, rivers not a raise even tho u mite be good id rather just go for the overcall than risk getting 3bet altho u could probably fold safely.

preflop u could raise to get iniative, buy freecards ect but limping is probably better after two limps with this kind of hand u dont really need to knock out the blinds.

flop raise is standard u likely have 1/3 pot equity and sb isnt too likely to 3bet most of his holdings hed raise in the sb after a call and a raise

as for the turn i think most will say to freecard, u likely still have a third pot equity with at least 11 outs or so so betting doesnt give up much if anything. However i dont think the chance of both of them folding is much larger than zero. sb likely has overs and u could fold out AK AQ KQ AJ KJ but only 2 of those free up any outs for u potentially and QJ isnt folding. Vs MP after he calls this flop twice hes either drawing and sticking with it or paired up and isnt folding now most likely with those stats and since hes aggro u probably dont wanna risk a check raise (altho if he had one of those kinds of hands he mite raise the flop or 3 bet after ur raise).

id kind of like to hear from someone who can more confidently weight in on the turn decision here of why exactly we should freecard and how the factors of pot equity fold equity and the risk of a check raise ect change this from bet to check and vice versa in similar turn spots with drawing hands.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

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Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Is it wrong to bet here?

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I thought about it, but I estimate my FE to be around zero, and any pair has a slight equity advantage on me, right?

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True.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

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with this hand I'd prefer more ppl in the pot rather than thinning the field, besides there are 2 limpers &amp; we don't know anything about the blinds.

I'm curious would you iso-raise with JTo?

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Oh, my bad I didn't notice "burningchips". After 2 limpers I always just call with JTo.

Re: 1/2 - TJo flops open ended. Hits top pair on river.
 

An example:

8,049,503 games 10.044 secs 801,424 games/sec

Board: 8h 9s 5d 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.337% 33.34% 00.00% 2683463 0.00 { JcTd }
Hand 1: 52.373% 52.37% 00.00% 4215744 0.00 { 8d6d }
Hand 2: 14.290% 14.29% 00.00% 1150296 0.00 { AcKd }


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I have exactly 1/3rd pot equity. So betting turn has 0 expectation if both only call. If I get raised my overcard outs are probably dead, and therefore I made a mistake in not accepting a free card.

One thing is if I bet, I might fold out AJ or AT (or any other overcard hand that dominates me). That's kinda interesting 'cause I was just reading the section in SSH about raising second best hands in large pots to increase likelyhood of winning the pot. Do you think this qualifies as a large pot?