Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

If someone is trying to put you all in, are there ever situations where the right play changes if your stack is higher and changes back if it is higher still? Assume the other player(s) pushing or calling requirements do NOT change.

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

Are you talking specifically about situations when your opponent has you covered? Also, are the opponents' stacks not involved in the hand constant? Their stacks drive a lot of decisions (even moreso than yours).

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I assume it should change only for bubble, otherwise it should not.

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In short, your answer is "yes" regardless.

Take a situation on the bubble of a SNG (50/30/20 payout) with 200/400 blinds. You know the SB is pushing any two cards.

SITUATION 1:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (12200) Pushes
You BB (500) with AA - CALL

SITUATION 2:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (10300) Pushes
You BB (2400) with AA - FOLD

SITUATION 3:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (6350) Pushes
You BB (6350) with AA - CALL

I didn't check numbers, but I'm fairly certain those decisions would be correct.

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I assume it should change only for bubble, otherwise it should not.

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Not entirely true.

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I would invert situation 1 with 2, I don't see the logic of calling when doubling up will bring me nowhere.

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I would invert situation 1 with 2, I don't see the logic of calling when doubling up will bring me nowhere.

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If you fold in #1, you're all-in in the Small Blind the next hand.

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

blinds are 200/400?!?!

I guess you assume my 500 are in reality 100.
In that case I agee.

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

How about the other stack sizes are 2,1000 and 1000. Prizes are $1000 $100 and $10. Blinds are 20/40 and the small stack is all in, in the big blind. You have stack sizes 1, 200 or 900 and are on the button.

Edit: sorry this was ment to be a reply to OP

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

Actually its pretty common to be in a situation where you would call as a small stack or as the chip leader but fold as a medium stack.

UMTerp's example is obviously a bit contrived, but similar situations arise pretty frequently with hands like 10-10 or AK.

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

The answer is yes there are situations. They occur in multi-way pots when 1) you are first to act after the "someone" that is trying to put you all-in with others behind you yet to act. 2) When close to the money and you are last to act after "some" of the others have called the "someone" that can put you all-in.

I'll let others elaborate.

leaponthis

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

If you are heads-up in a SNG, this is the case. Let's say that your hand wins 35% against his random hand. Your hand is +EV (your calling EV is higher than your folding EV) to call when you are short stacked, but slightly -EV to call with even stacks. Once your stack becomes large, this becomes an easy call.

The calling function is a parabolic surface, so it can go from +EV to -EV and back depending on your stack size.

Doug

Re: Are There Non Linear SNG Calling Situations?
 

With AA, I can't get #2 to come out -EV with any stack sizes that SnGPT let's me use.

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Ok I ran TT - AA

AA - call, call, call
KK - call, fold, call
QQ - call, fold, call
JJ - call, fold, call - but only .1% EV
TT - call, fold, fold

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In short, your answer is "yes" regardless.

Take a situation on the bubble of a SNG (50/30/20 payout) with 200/400 blinds. You know the SB is pushing any two cards.

SITUATION 1:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (12200) Pushes
You BB (500) with AA - CALL

SITUATION 2:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (10300) Pushes
You BB (2400) with AA - FOLD

SITUATION 3:
UTG (400) Fold
Button (400) Fold
SB (6350) Pushes
You BB (6350) with AA - CALL

I didn't check numbers, but I'm fairly certain those decisions would be correct.

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Change AA to QQ and I agree.

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Ok I ran TT - AA

AA - call, call, call
KK - call, fold, call
QQ - call, fold, call
JJ - call, fold, call - but only .1% EV
TT - call, fold, fold

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I guess I should read all the relies before I post.

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Fair enough. I was making an example up off the top of my head, and thought that would work. Like others have said, change AA to KK, and there you go. (Intuitively, thought QQ/JJ may have been a fold in #3, which is why I didn't use those hands in the first place.)