I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

I'm re-popping that flop an awful lot there. Lots of equity against a drawing or weaker hand quite often. The rest of the hand, as played, is fine.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

Asides from river, it looks ok to me.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

Cbet is weak. I bet 7 here.

As played Id raise that turn bet to 20 and then give up.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Cbet is weak. I bet 7 here.

As played Id raise that turn bet to 20 and then give up.

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Why bet more on this flop than a standard cbet? Isn't the whole idea to standardize the bet so villains can't catch onto these things?

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

7 is my standard cbet.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Why bet more on this flop than a standard cbet? Isn't the whole idea to standardize the bet so villains can't catch onto these things?

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I don't think it makes much difference whether it's 6 or 7 - it's just a matter of preference really. Obviously $7 makes you an extra cent or something though. I tend to bet ~2/3 pot oop and 3/4 pot in position, though I think this is giving some players false-tells, thinking I'm bluffing with one of them or something.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

Normally my cbet would be 6 here. I was messing around with the BetPot AHK script last night. Don't think the difference is material here.

I'd like the flop reraise more if it weren't for the gutshot outs. I don't want to get raised off my hand just yet.

Given another chance to play this hand, I think I agree with the raise the turn and then give up advice.

Thanks guys.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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I tend to bet ~2/3 pot oop and 3/4 pot in position, though I think this is giving some players false-tells, thinking I'm bluffing with one of them or something.

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This is interesting, since I often size my bet with the opposite pattern. I bet slightly more OOP, since I prefer ending the hand there, and I get more information about villain on the flop. I don't mind as much if an opponent floats when I have position, since I feel more comfortable playing the turn and river in position.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

On the turn, he's scared of the flush. Raise him big, then give up if he calls.

On the river, I think he has maybe KJ? AJ or QJ are possible as well... But now he figures you don't have the flush so he's betting it again.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

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checking flops solves problems.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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I'm re-popping that flop an awful lot there. Lots of equity against a drawing or weaker hand quite often. The rest of the hand, as played, is fine.

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This would be ok if you ever had any FE but this guy never folds TP. *sigh* I think it's close but I would just call maybe raise the turn

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

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checking flops solves problems.

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What's your play when he leads the turn?

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Cbet is weak. I bet 7 here.

As played Id raise that turn bet to 20 and then give up.

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I agree. My typical cbet on the flop is a hair less than pot size.

And raising the turn as suggested here (I might even raise a little less) makes it much more likely that we win the pot now, get to showdown more often, and can confidently fold to any more action.

As OP played its very hard to know where he's at, so I don't really hate the river call.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

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checking flops solves problems.

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It also creates a very big problem: giving a free card to any flush draw, gutshot, or overcard.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

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checking flops solves problems.

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Maybe I've been reading too much SSNL, but I think this is a pretty good flop to check too.

Re: I hate the way I played this (100NL)
 

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Villain is playing about half the pots so far (30 hands). I know I played it horribly, but I don't know what line I should have taken.

Felt weak to fold the flop, but can I really reraise here? Then WTF is that turn bet? By the time the river bet came I was just confused and called because I'd butchered the hand so badly that I figured why stop now.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.65
UTG+1: $115.85
CO: $56
Hero: $99.30
SB: $309.25
BB: $49.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $11</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($31.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

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checking flops solves problems.

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What's your play when he leads the turn?

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Depends. Call is good most of the time.