WSEx: Official Thread: January & February. (#5 of 6.)
 

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Happy New Year 2+2'ers!

I think the platform is very stable lately. Any comments or questions moving forward?

Fred Balfour
General Manager
WSEX.com

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yes, what are you doing to generate more traffic to the poker room? It has really been dead lately.

Oh, and turn off my doomswitch please.

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Happy New Year 2+2'ers!

I think the platform is very stable lately. Any comments or questions moving forward?

Fred Balfour
General Manager
WSEX.com

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Thanks for the rake free site and for your stance against the morality police in DC.

Any chance we will see resizeable tables so I can fit more than one table on my monitor without overlap? Thanks.

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Software requests:
1) HH Browser like on Stars
2) Preferred seating / auto-centering like on Stars and FT

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a usable bet slider for nl

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Ill repeat what I put in the last thread.


1. please change your heads up structure for 6max and full tables to that of the HU tables (sb on the button, 1st to act pf)

and

2. Usable NL sliderbar. Like Stars or Absolute. Make the slider bar a little more effective, like pokerstars, where u can click it over in smaller increments or when you drag it it can hit a wider range of numbers.

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yes, what are you doing to generate more traffic to the poker room? It has really been dead lately.


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For Stud H/L get rid of the ability to double bet on 4th when someone pairs. This is only for Stud.

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Happy New Year 2+2'ers!

I think the platform is very stable lately. Any comments or questions moving forward?

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Happy New Years to you!

I agree it's been stable lately. Good improvements.

A couple of requests, notes.

I continue to hear about the bug that sits people out, usually after a won hand. I've only had it hit me a time or two, but see people complaining on the site occasionally about it.

Add Omaha Hi. Add a 'Double Suited Aces Never Lose' or similar to Omaha games.

In Stud Hi/Lo, the hand history does not show your opponents cards at showdown. Is this by design? I'd like to see them, like in the other games.

Make better use of the pop-up that comes up when you log in. This is your front-door ... it's a bit wasteful to still be bragging about hand-histories to the hard-drive on that premium space. I suggest change the pop-up to be about the Aces Never Lose promotion next. Or bragging about how much rake you've given back, with the highest 5 earners for the week.

Make the 'wait for big blind' checkbox be visible after you click the 'I'm back' button when you are done sitting out.

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As a relatively new limit hold'em player to your site (2-3 weeks) I see two issues.

First, and most bothersome, is the presentation of my hole cards. They're a little too small to see at the table and I don't like having to look at the bottom of the window to see what they are. I should only have to look in one place, in my opinion, in order to assess both my position and cards - and I think this place should be on the table, not below it. If you want to put large size cards below the table then I think you need to have the table seating function like Ultimate Bet where you are centered and large size cards appear below you.

Second, I'd prefer the buttons for fold, call, bet to be larger. They seem too small right now, and it looks like they could easily be increased vertically in size.

So far that is all I can complain about. Everything else has been solid and I have never been disconnected.

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yes, what are you doing to generate more traffic to the poker room? It has really been dead lately.


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a usable bet slider for nl

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yes, what are you doing to generate more traffic to the poker room? It has really been dead lately.

Oh, and turn off my doomswitch please.

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Thx for the great site.

I've been playing there much less lately due to bad game selection at 3/6, so I moved to stars where they forgot to unflip my doomswitch. Now that I've been slapped back down a couple of limits into the super heavy rake Stars territory I'm certainly going to move back to wpex to rebuild.

so, a few requests [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] :
-more traffic
-better hh browser (see PokerStars)
-hotkeys for betting actions
-pref to disable the pop-up windown on client launch
-table filters? that would be cool.
-spread 2-7 tripledraw and HORSE

thx!

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Ok i decided to add a couple WPEX tables to my standard setup because i figure if everyone adds 1 or 2 tables to the others they have open then eventually we could close out all the other tables and have enough wpex games to run full time.

but EVERY TIME I WIN A HAND AT SHOWDOWN IT SITS ME OUT!

wtf

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Are all you 'sit-out at showdown' people playing NL?

I only play limit there and I don't believe I've seen this or had it happen to me.

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Are all you 'sit-out at showdown' people playing NL?

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99% of my play is limit and it happens in clumps. It may not happen for weeks then it happens six times in a session. The last major upgrade fixed a lot of this but it is still a bit of an annoyance (especially shorthanded).

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6m nl here

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Is there some way to leave table fast? When I close window it seems to leave me sitting in table inactive for several hands.

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Are all you 'sit-out at showdown' people playing NL?

I only play limit there and I don't believe I've seen this or had it happen to me.

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I play limit mostly, and I've had it happen to me very rarely, and seen it happen rarely on limit tables. It does seem to be more of a problem for nl players.

Anyone up for some stud?

Reminder: Aces Never Lose Today
 

Title says it all.

Stud hi/lo anyone?

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Request:

1. PLO Hi
2. Omaha Limit

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Hello, WSEX GM, I don't know whether you will listen to me, but here's something I would suggest:

1. Hand history--Can't find the hand number for my AA hand in the log even though I clicked auto save. Don't know if it's just AA or it's missing hands.

2. Seems that there's a lot of disconnect going on lately, don't know if it's just my problem or the site problem.

3. Do something to bring more players in, at least something that will have 2000+ players on average.

Thanks

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For Stud H/L get rid of the ability to double bet on 4th when someone pairs. This is only for Stud.

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this is because proper rules don't allow you to in stud/8

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...but EVERY TIME I WIN A HAND AT SHOWDOWN IT SITS ME OUT!

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doc

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Bob,

Yes, playing NL.

And if it is not EVERY time, it's awful close. It may be every time, I just haven't checked. I will keep an eye out.

Doc

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I finally gave up hope that player names will be returned to the hand histories. I have cashed out and gone elsewhere. I will consider returning when the names are put back in and traffic there is increased.

Yes, I know about the tool to add names. I just think it would be better not to purchase that product while WSEx is actively trying to make it so the program will not work. There is no use fighting it. When WSEx acts like they actually want people there, then I might reconsider.

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WSEX GM,
I just had QQ in the big blind of a tournament. There were 5 limpers (yes it was a $10 tournament, no that is not the point.) I clicked all in. The buttons disappeared and my counter counted down until my hand is folded.

I left your website for 3 months because of this issue and decided to check out. I have been playing mostly 10/20 and 20/40 I am a sports bettor who has wagered several thousand dollars on your site. I will not return until the problem is fixed.

Please PM me when you stop folding players hands and I will happily return to your site.

-Steve

PS - The no names in hand histories is a <u>good</u> thing. Please do not cave to the 2+2 minority to allow them to use their software.

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when playing NL if you get it all in before (maybe on also) the river, the hands are turned up on the screen and the board ran out. In the hand history, it does not show your opponent's cards if you win, but shows it if they call a river bet non all in. Why is this and can you fix it.

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The buttons disappeared and my counter counted down until my hand is folded.

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This is the only thing over which I've been disappointed with WPX. I've had a number of these sorts of scenarios and wrote a fairly detailed email to support to see if they could figure out a) why I was timing out and b) why I wasn't getting protected on the timeouts. I even included hand numbers and spelled out commonalities.

They never replied.

The WPX staff is generally very responsive and helpful. Most times they are quite outstanding. They haven't been with software glitches. It was a disappointment not to get a reply.

The only comfort I take is that to a certain extent the glitches and time outs happen randomly to others. Perhaps this is one of those things which kind of evens out in the end.

If any of you wonder what sort of idiot raises UTG in a 30/60 game and then folds to a reraise, it isn't my fault. I'm getting disconnected.

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The only comfort I take is that to a certain extent the glitches and time outs happen randomly to others. Perhaps this is one of those things which kind of evens out in the end.

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I definitely agree that it all evens out in the end and I am actually happy that it happened to me in the $10 tournament and not the other games I play but when it happens to me on the river with the nuts in a big 20/40 pot I will not be subscribing to the "it all evens out in the end" theory.

I did not bother to email support about my hand (does anyone know where on your computer HHs are stored?) but I would hope that people who do email support about being folded unintentionally should have their money refunded. I hope even more that WSEX GM comes on this thread and tells us that the bug has been fixed but in the meantime proactive customer support could help aleviate the problem

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...when it happens to me on the river with the nuts in a big 20/40 pot I will not be subscribing to the "it all evens out in the end" theory.

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...been there, done that. Once it was AK (in a 10/20). Another time it was top set (forget which game). Both winners. Yes, its painful.

Perhaps I'm a sucker but I think WPX has earned a certain reservoir of good will. Yes, these incidents have demonstrably cost me money. On the other hand I've made over 21K in rakeback and hauled in a decent amount of aces cracked rewards. There's no malice behind balky software. Perhaps I've benefited from someone being folded out.

The way I look at it is that I could turn myself into an indentured servant to Stars in the hope of making 40% of what is given to everyone and anyone at WPX. Though the benefit of rakeback diminishes in an absolute sense when moving up in limits, the absolute number is fairly stunning. I've not played enough hands at WPX to make Nova at Stars yet I get several times the ultimate benefit.

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but I would hope that people who do email support about being folded unintentionally should have their money refunded

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I'd just like to see the problem fixed. I can stomach the short term loss, but would like that little sacrifice to bear fruit in terms of a tech investigation into why the system isn't working as it should.

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but in the meantime proactive customer support could help aleviate the problem

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...that's my hope. Part of the problem seems to be that these disconnects, time outs and sit outs don't happen to everyone. For several months I thought the complaints were nutty because I wasn't having problems. After the last major system upgrade everything was very stable. About a month ago it changed for no apparent reason and the site was close to unplayable for me.

Anyway, fundamentally I'm very grateful to WPX for what they've done. Hopefully threads like this will bring attention to the issue that there are still technical irregularities at the site which may be keeping or have driven poker players/sports bettors away.

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Traffic obv. I would be quite happy if you put the rakeback to, say, 80% if this meant you could pull in more players and compete more fully with the bigger rooms. I know it's not that simple, though.

Also, I'd like HU NL tables (with correct blind structure). I understand why you might not want this but it shouldn't cause problems at a low limit.

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The only reason WSEx provides no-rake poker is because they hope the poker players will sports bet, too.

If we assume WSEx wins, say, 10% of the total amount bet on sports, on average, then, imo, this is where they could do some sort of deal with poker affiliates, who obviously aren't going to send players to them at the moment as the affiliates will receive no payment for their marketing efforts.

If WSEx paid, say, 1% of all monies sports bet by their introduced players to the respective poker affiliates, this would encourage the affiliates to actively promote WSEx, immediately solving the marketing problem of attracting new players and thereby leading to both far more poker players on site, plus far more sports bet profit for WSEx for absolutely no prepaid outlay.

In other words, everybody wins.

(I don't know the correct percentage figures to use, but WSEx would, at the touch of a button.)

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The only reason WSEx provides no-rake poker is because they hope the poker players will sports bet, too.

If we assume WSEx wins, say, 10% of the total amount bet on sports, on average, then, imo, this is where they could do some sort of deal with poker affiliates, who obviously aren't going to send players to them at the moment as the affiliates will receive no payment for their marketing efforts.

If WSEx paid, say, 1% of all monies sports bet by their introduced players to the respective poker affiliates, this would encourage the affiliates to actively promote WSEx, immediately solving the marketing problem of attracting new players and thereby leading to both far more poker players on site, plus far more sports bet profit for WSEx for absolutely no prepaid outlay.

In other words, everybody wins.

(I don't know the correct percentage figures to use, but WSEx would, at the touch of a button.)

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Mike,

Good idea but.

What if their players don't bet on sports?

Why would an affiliate send a player to WPX as opposed to Party/Full Tilt etc on a non rakeback deal where they are getting a much bigger cut (I assume so haven't done calcs)?

The only way this deal works out is if they send a small time poker player who bets big on sports to the site.


As an alternative I would be happy if WPX split the 100% rakeback 90/10 and made the 10% remain in the sportsbook for people to bet with. They can then use the profits from that to advertise for more poker players. I honestly think that once the site hits some sort of critical mass (ie 2000 players at peak) then it will take off.

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When WSEx acts like they actually want people there, then I might reconsider.

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Its really quite amusing (and sad) the effort WPEX is going to, to diswade people from playing there.

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Add PL Omaha and I would play there fo sure.

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What's with this place today? Some of the worst plays and amazingly bad NEW players I've seen in ages! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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ask and ye shall receive I guess. WPEX has picked up in the last few days. COME BACK, 2+2!!