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"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." -- Deuteronomy 22:11

Isn't this a bit silly?

Also, why does God not like transvestites? Any reason you know of? What are your thoughts?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

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"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." -- Deuteronomy 22:11

Isn't this a bit silly?

Also, why does God not like transvestites? Any reason you know of? What are your thoughts?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

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Um, it's God's word. If you don't understand it follow it anyway.

And obviously God doesn't like crossdressers. At least that one makes a little 'sense'.

Oh, one more base to cover. Context. It's all about context. Sometimes things don't mean what they plainly do mean because of context. Sometimes context makes things mean the opposite of what they mean. Here context means, "it's ok to wear mixed clothes".

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"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." -- Deuteronomy 22:11

Isn't this a bit silly?

Also, why does God not like transvestites? Any reason you know of? What are your thoughts?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

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Some people trace shatnes' origins to the story of Cain and Abel: Cain killed Abel after Abel offered sheep - the source of wool - as a sacrifice to God. Cain offered flax, the source of linen, Tomaszewki explained.

Because the mixture caused humanity's first murder, some posit, it is prohibited. But that's only a theory.

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not so silly NOW, is it!

The reasoning for why god doesn't like transvestites is a bit more complex:
1) premarital sex is a sin
2) thus, we need a non-genitalia indicator of sex, or else
3) same genders may marry
4) and everyone knows nothing pisses off god more

Man, you are SLOW...you need to do more churchy things!

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Another MidGe-like retarded thread. Especially since the questions should be addressed to Jews and not Christians. With a few exceptions like the decalogue, the OT laws such as this and others do not bind on Christians. That's why we can eat pork and it's OK with God.

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Its the old testament, the mixing fabrics issue was a cultural statement for the hebrew nation to distinguish them from the surrounding cultures (which were pretty messed up ex: Assyrians, Samarians, etc), and the crossdressing thing is god stating the importence of an individuals uality as he created them.

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I agree with bluff, christians are not subject to religious rules, christ gave freedom from that.

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Another MidGe-like retarded thread. Especially since the questions should be addressed to Jews and not Christians. With a few exceptions like the decalogue, the OT laws such as this and others do not bind on Christians. That's why we can eat pork and it's OK with God.

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would you mind referencing where it says this?

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It's a matter of doctrine based on biblical interpretation and you can do a search on an online bible to find where the NT expressly includes the decalogue, makes it clear various non-ethical laws don't apply to Christians (Acts), and even goes so far in the words of Jesus as saying the spirit of the law is summed up in loving the Lord with your whole heart, mind and soul, and in loving your neighbor as yourself. No major christian denomination holds otherwise.

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the wool-linen laws are not binding for Christians, as their meaning relates to purity rather than ethics. so they fall under the same category as the dietary restrictions, which are lifted in passages such as Acts 10.

regarding the intention of the wool-linen law, the explanation that i heard is that it relates to pagan fertility practices. other religions believed that combining different things (wearing fabric of two different fibers, different seeds in the same field, boiling a young goat in its mother's milk) was somehow related to the male-female dichotomy and would thus produce fertility. prohibiting the wool-linen mixture is thus a prohibition on worshiping other gods.

but i suspect that if you asked an orthodox jew, his answer may be different.

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Regardless of the law - the quote is from the Old Testament. Thus Jews should be asked the question, too. Including Christians in the question is fine, but directing the question solely to Christians makes one suspect the motives of the OP in asking.

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Regardless of the law - the quote is from the Old Testament. Thus Jews should be asked the question, too. Including Christians in the question is fine, but directing the question solely to Christians makes one suspect the motives of the OP in asking.

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I don't think that any Jews frequent this forum..at least I haven't seen any around...no Muslims either I believe.

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so they fall under the same category as the dietary restrictions, which are lifted in passages such as Acts 10.

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How come eating fat in violation of OT law still causes heart disease then?

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Its the old testament, the mixing fabrics issue was a cultural statement for the hebrew nation to distinguish them from the surrounding cultures (which were pretty messed up ex: Assyrians, Samarians, etc), and the crossdressing thing is god stating the importence of an individuals uality as he created them.


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Maybe God doesn't take too kindly to people not being appreciative of the gender He assigned to them? Sorta like returning a gift.

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I don't think that any Jews frequent this forum..at least I haven't seen any around...no Muslims either I believe.

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I think you are correct as to practicing religious believers. However there are plenty of agnostic/atheist Jews in this forum.

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so they fall under the same category as the dietary restrictions, which are lifted in passages such as Acts 10.

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How come eating fat in violation of OT law still causes heart disease then?

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the lifted restriction doesn't have to do with health benefits. it only means that it is no longer prohibited.

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And why, when God made the covenant with Abraham, did he require Abraham to take the foreskins of all his family and servants, and to see to it that the foreskins of his family and servants throughout his descendants were also cut off? Keep in mind that this was definitely unhealthy at the time.

Now, this is the specific sign that God requested to represent his chosen people. It's irrelevant whether the law applies now. The point is that of all the possible signs God could have chosen (hey, he could have simply waved a hand and "stamped" everyone with a mark), he chose the removal of the outside of the penis as the great indication of His people. Did he have a good reason for doing this, or is he just a pervert?

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The point is that of all the possible signs God could have chosen (hey, he could have simply waved a hand and "stamped" everyone with a mark), he chose the removal of the outside of the penis as the great indication of His people. Did he have a good reason for doing this, or is he just a pervert?

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stamping wouldn't work because the sign was to be voluntarily adopted (or given by the parents).

as for why circumcision, i don't know.

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"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

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Isn't this the law under which Jeanne D'Arc was sentenced to death?

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the lifted restriction doesn't have to do with health benefits. it only means that it is no longer prohibited.

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Then why is there still the health penalty?

If adultery is no longer prohibited, why are there still venereal diseases?

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Isn't this the law under which Jeanne D'Arc was sentenced to death?

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I doubt the penalty was death for that, but the penalty for witchcraft was.

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Isn't this the law under which Jeanne D'Arc was sentenced to death?

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I doubt the penalty was death for that, but the penalty for witchcraft was.

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the lifted restriction doesn't have to do with health benefits. it only means that it is no longer prohibited.

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Then why is there still the health penalty?

If adultery is no longer prohibited, why are there still venereal diseases?

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first, who said that adultery is no longer prohibited? i didn't. adultery falls under the realm of ethical laws, not dietary laws. (edit: i mentioned "purity" laws earlier - that refers to laws without ethical content. it has nothing to do with sex.)

second, i don't think that sexually transmitted diseases are generally expressions of God's judgment. just as i do not believe that getting AIDS is God judging someone for getting a blood transfusion, or that dying in a car crash is God judging someone for being on the same road as a drunk driver.

sometimes bad things happen. that doesn't mean that there was one particular sin that prompted God to bring about judgment. it doesn't even mean that the suffering person has done more evil than his non-suffering neighbor next door.

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the lifted restriction doesn't have to do with health benefits. it only means that it is no longer prohibited.

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Then why is there still the health penalty?

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let me put it another way. you could eat nothing but carrots for the rest of your life, and you wouldn't be violating any dietary laws as far as Christians are concerned. your health will suffer, but i don't see how that could be called a health "penalty."

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Isn't this a bit silly?

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Not really silly, more like a relic of the time it was written. What's silly is the few people who still take these ancient rules seriously today.

Like Dr. Laura using Leviticus to argue why homosexuality is an abomination. If you think that, then you must also think you can own Canadians as slaves.

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you could eat nothing but carrots for the rest of your life, and you wouldn't be violating any dietary laws as far as Christians are concerned.

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I'm pretty sure that vegetarianism is called a "doctrine of devils" in the new testament, so there goes that.

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you could eat nothing but carrots for the rest of your life, and you wouldn't be violating any dietary laws as far as Christians are concerned.

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I'm pretty sure that vegetarianism is called a "doctrine of devils" in the new testament, so there goes that.

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No, it is not. Even if it were, you could change it to "eat nothing but kosher lamb" and the point would still hold.

It seems that you are missing the point.

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you could eat nothing but carrots for the rest of your life, and you wouldn't be violating any dietary laws as far as Christians are concerned.

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I'm pretty sure that vegetarianism is called a "doctrine of devils" in the new testament, so there goes that.

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Could you point me in the direction of that in the bible plz.

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She was also cannonized a saint so apparently God did not hold her to the law.

Stu

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She was also cannonized a saint so apparently God did not hold her to the law.

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Well, her original trial was a politically motivated farce for a variety of reasons--the Bishop who executed her was a puppet of the Duke of Bedford(representing Henry VI who Joan had effectively opposed in the succession by backing Charles VII).

The Bible made exceptions to Deuteronomy 22:5: Women were allowed to dress/cut their hair like men to preserve their chastity, to disguise themselves while travelling through enemy territory, to armour themselves for battle, etc, which were the reasons Jeanne wore men's apparel.

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Could you point me in the direction of that in the bible plz.

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1 Timothy 4:1-5 (King James Version)
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1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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No, it is not. Even if it were, you could change it to "eat nothing but kosher lamb" and the point would still hold.

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True. But really the point is that the bible explicitly says not to eat fat, and it says that it is a perpetual ordinance which the descendents of the ancient hebrews should always observe no matter where they live, or something like that.

I think the point was that fat tastes good and therefore was/is a temptation but accroding to the bible god says don't eat it even though it tastes good cause it's not good for you.

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"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." -- Deuteronomy 22:11

Isn't this a bit silly?

Also, why does God not like transvestites? Any reason you know of? What are your thoughts?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

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i didnt read the responses, but thats old jewish law, not christian law. So to us, nothing is bad about wool and linen blended together.

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1 Timothy 4:1-5 (King James Version)
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1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

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Verse 3 refers to people who mandate particular diets, not to people who choose them for their own reasons.

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No, it is not. Even if it were, you could change it to "eat nothing but kosher lamb" and the point would still hold.

It seems that you are missing the point.

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True. But really the point is that the bible explicitly says not to eat fat, and it says that it is a perpetual ordinance which the descendents of the ancient hebrews should always observe no matter where they live, or something like that.

I think the point was that fat tastes good and therefore was/is a temptation but accroding to the bible god says don't eat it even though it tastes good cause it's not good for you.

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I'm not sure which passage you are referring to, and I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

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I'm not sure which passage you are referring to, and I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

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My point is that if the old testament is done away with for christians, then why does eating fat still cause heart disease?

If that law has been repealed by christ or whatever, why is there still a penalty(heart disease) attached to it?

I'm using a more conventient example of the general principle because mixed fabric doesn't lend itself well to argumentation.

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Lev 3:17 ¶ [It shall be] a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.


Lev 7:22 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
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Lev 7:23 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Ye shall eat no manner of fat, of ox, or of sheep, or of goat.
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Lev 7:24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it.
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Lev 7:25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth [it] shall be cut off from his people.

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I'm not sure which passage you are referring to, and I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

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My point is that if the old testament is done away with for christians, then why does eating fat still cause heart disease?

If that law has been repealed by christ or whatever, why is there still a penalty(heart disease) attached to it?

I'm using a more conventient example of the general principle because mixed fabric doesn't lend itself well to argumentation.

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Please rephrase your point in the form of a statement rather than a question.

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I'm not sure which passage you are referring to, and I'm not sure exactly what your point is.

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My point is that if the old testament is done away with for christians, then why does eating fat still cause heart disease?

If that law has been repealed by christ or whatever, why is there still a penalty(heart disease) attached to it?

I'm using a more conventient example of the general principle because mixed fabric doesn't lend itself well to argumentation.

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Please rephrase your point in the form of a statement rather than a question.

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I'll rephrase for the sake of discussion, although I don't necessarily endorse his point:

1) All diseases & pain are a punishment from God.
2) Eating fat was forbidden in the OT.
3) From 1&2, if you eat fat, you are punished with heart disease.
4) Eating fat is no longer forbidden.
5) When you eat fat, you still get heart disease.

In other words, you are still being punished for eating fat, even though it's no longer forbidden. The argument falls apart if you disagree that all diseases are punishments from God.

So, in question form:
A) Do you believe that all diseases are punishments from God?
B) If yes, then why are we still punished for eating fat?

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1) All diseases & pain are a punishment from God.

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I think technically if you follow the law of god you are protected from disease and stuff, but if you don't you are subject to time and chance, in cases like this.

But yeah, that's the gist of it.