Toney vs Peter 1/6
 

I was going to stay away from this fight. Then I found out James Toney weighed 223 lbs at last check. He weighed 258 for the last fight. He is eating 1500 cals/day and actually doing cardio. Sam Peter is not very good at boxing. Toney by DEC +195, but it's dropping so I got in already (down to +189 now while I'm posting this). When Toney appears later this week looking much more fit, the line is going to move a lot. He is currently the underdog in the fight, but by DEC is a much better bet IMO. It is hard to imagine a scenario where Toney stops Peter without something bizarre happening. Certainly less than the 15% or so required to take him at +101 instead. Assuming the Toney fitness rumors are true, I can see him winning by DEC 50% of the time, which means this bet has value all the way to +100. In fact, it could easily be more than that.

The other tempting bet on this fight is the over at -224. Neither fighter has ever been stopped. Toney doesn't have KO power at heavyweight, and Peters wide shots probably aren't enough for Toney's hard head and good defense. However it's tough to take the over for a heavyweight fight at -224, so I'm still debating this. There is always the chance that Toney's body will react poorly to his weight loss, or that someone will be injured/cut. And Peter can certainly hit.

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Good call on Toney - he's at +101 now.

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you sold me on win by decision

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hottest over ive ever seen in boxing

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Don't forget in their last fight Sam Peter also came in his heaviest, but much like Toney, Sam Peter is getting in fighting shape and looking good for his bout.

http://www.fightnews.com/peter_peter.jpg

An out-of-shape Peter boxed an out-of-shape Toney to a DEC, now an in-shape Peter will be fighting a not-so-out-of-shape James Toney. I see the same outcome as before, Peter by DEC.


Tuds

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Draw bet on Pinny looks tempting, i'll stay away though.

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Even though Toney lost the first fight, he really won, I had him 8 rounds to 4 and Peter had a deduction for that double behind the head punch he pulled. Not that this means squat but I am a boxing writer and I have a little bit of inside of the game, and nearly everyone I spoke to after the fight thought Toney one. I am picking Toney by decision, but if Toney gets hurt, like he did in the third round of the first fight with Peter in better shape he may be able to capitalize. By the way, Peter Biographies have him at 26 years old...he's more like 34...unless he sparred with David Izon when he was about 10...Also a guy I know claims to have gone to school with him and he is 34...that doesn't mean much here...but Peter is clearly not a young up and comming fighter

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Important correction from my first post, Toney did not weigh 258 for the last fight, that was Peter, I read it backwards. I didn't use that number in my analysis though, so my opinion remains the same.

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Don't forget in their last fight Sam Peter also came in his heaviest, but much like Toney, Sam Peter is getting in fighting shape and looking good for his bout.

http://www.fightnews.com/peter_peter.jpg

An out-of-shape Peter boxed an out-of-shape Toney to a DEC, now an in-shape Peter will be fighting a not-so-out-of-shape James Toney. I see the same outcome as before, Peter by DEC.


Tuds

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u tell em Tuds (this is Indy)

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Toney was at his 2nd heaviest weight of his career, but looked HORRIBLE (not as bad as he did against Rahman, but close).

I saw the fight live and thought it was really close and could have seen either guy winning the fight, but I thought on the whole Peter won the fight. Toney's punches did no real damage to Peter and Peter looked to hurt Toney a few times (of course Toney might been off balance with all that weight he is carring).

I think the fact Peter went 12 rounds with the best technical fighter in the HW division and held his own and actually won will go along way to improve Sam Peter as a boxer.

Tuds

Re: Toney vs Peter 1/6 Weigh-In Results
 

from Fightnews.com

"Peter 249, Toney 234!

Samuel Peter outweighed James Toney by 15 pounds for their SHOWTIME-televised rematch on Saturday night at the Seminole Hard Rock LIVE Arena in Hollywood, FL. Toney weighed in first at 234, one pound more than the first fight, although his body looked to be in much better shape. Peter scaled in at 249, eight pounds less than in their first fight. The Peter camp selected Reyes gloves, while the Toney group selected Everlast."

Don't forget the Reyes gloves are the punchers gloves and they are the ones PacMan mad a big deal about not being able to wear them against Morrales and then when he got to wear them against Morrales he KO'ed him twice. Just something to think about.

Tuds

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Those Reyes gloves are going to do a lot of damage to the air around James Toney when Peter's winging those wide shots!

Seriously though, I don't really have a strong opinion of who will win, I just found value in the Toney DEC line which only requires him to win by DEC 34.1% of the time to be profitable. I think Toney is being slightly undervalued as a whole, and Toney KO/TKO/DQ is being overvalued. The combination of these things leads to what I believe is at least a 10% edge.

If you assume Peter is the FAV, do you think Peter KO/TKO/DQ is overvalued at +374 or are you just going to take the -118?

Re: Toney vs Peter 1/6 Weigh-In Pics
 

Get a load of Toney. He looks like he always has at Heavy. I guess those rumors about diets, carb cutting, Billy Blanks, and Tae Bo are F-A-L-S-E.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/...Toney%20WI.jpg

http://www.fightnews.com/peter_toney.jpg

Peter looking trim and in good fighting shape, while Toney again looks like he spent as much time in the ring as he has at the table.

Tuds

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Ha. Yeah 218 didn't happen huh?

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very hard to pick a fighter (peter) when his only shot at winning is by ko'ing a fighter (toney) that has only been knocked down twice and never been ko'ed in 78 professional fights. peter is a very strong dude, but strong alone does not make you a winner in boxing--not when in versus guys like toney and especially not when toney holds the edge 10-0 in very single 'skill' category because peter has 0 boxing ability.

even at 38, toney still has too much elusiveness, speed, chin, and accurate punching versus a fighter like peter, whose a clubber with absolutely no skills and terrible, terrible stamina. toney's stamina in recent bouts has been laughable, but it's still 2x better than peter's.

my prediction: toney being the more active, accurate puncher will be able to keep a more consistent attack than peter because of toney's better stamina, but because peter also has a great chin, i see toney only winning by points rather than ko.

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about the weight: toney only weighs one pound more than he did for the first fight--a fight many thought he won. many boxing analysts and people in the media thought toney won the first fight, even the wbc organization (the belt they are hoping to fight for) thought so, prompting the wbc to call an immediate rematch to this bout (the first one was an elimination bout to see who would fight the champ oleg maskaev). being forced to rematch by the wbc indicates that they really thought the judges scoring the first fight majorly screwed up. being that toney basically is in no worse condition than his last fight (one he essentially won), i don't see how he is anything other that a pretty big favorite the second time around.

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very hard to pick a fighter (peter) when his only shot at winning is by ko'ing a fighter (toney)

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This must be a mis-type because this quote is TOTALLY 100% FALSE . Peter already beat James Toney and not only that he beat him by going all 12 rounds and getting a Decision over him. So he alreay has proven that Toney doesn't need to KO Toney to beat him.

Toney's weight will always be an issue. I don't care what his weight is along as it is above 230 its too much for him (and I am being generous with 230, Toney would/could be champ if he got down to 225, but that is not happening). He cardio is shot, Billy Blanks is his fitness trainer...COME ONE is that for real. Imagine Toney standing in front of a TV watching Blanks kicking and punching and Toney trying to follow Blank's lead. Don't forget that Toney is 38 and is winding up a career (Don't bring up Bernard Hopkins). Toney's skill is still there, but so is the gut and biztch teets.

Tuds

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is not a typo. they wouldn't be fighting again if the wbc thought peter won the first fight, would they? the decision was wrong according to the public and media alike but, most importantly, it was wrong in the eyes of the wbc. hence why the wbc ordered an immediate rematch due to (real quote) "controversial scoring of the first fight." toney was without a doubt the consensus better fighter in the first fight, regardless of the mistakes of two judges scoring the fight. peter and toney are fighting again to reverse these mistakes and to give the chance for the better fighter (toney) to fight oleg.

and i disagree that a mere 5 pound difference in the heavyweight division turns fighters into champions.

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btw, even though toney came in one pound heavier than the first fight, these pictures seem to suggest he is in better shape. the first pic is the weight-in at their first fight. the second pic is of their second fight.
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/104...ter-Toney3.jpg

http://previews4.wireimage.com/image...00781903PM.jpg

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Ok I don't even know where to begin.

Obviously you did not watch the first fight live, but in no way did Toney dominate enough to earn the victory, but Peter did not dominate either. Both fighters could have made a case for winning that fight. It was a close fight no doubt, but to think that Toney was robbed is redicioulous.

The WBC is joke and fraud of a boxing organization. There previous fight was to determine who would fight Oleg, and for some reason Peter won a close fight, a spilt decision, but for some reason they have to do it over again. WHY, Peter won, so what if it was close, this is boxing there are close fights all the time, titles even change hands on close fights. So the WBC claiming bad scoring makes no sense because they appoint the judges so any incompetance should reflect on them. Not to mention their history of making some of the most idiotic moves in boxing is well documented (look at some reasons they have stripped titles from fighters and some mandatorys they have lined up).

Absolutley 5 pounds makes a difference in fighting, even heavyweights. If a fighter can't maintain a weight it shows something about the fighter himself, maybe a lack of training or focus, maybe an injure. In Toney's case he is fighting at a weight already too much from him. Toney's ideal weight is 205 or cruiserweight. I have seen all of his fights in the last 5 years or since his last fight as a cruiser and he looked like a great cruiserweight, but as a heavyweight he looks fat, gassed, and lacking real power.

Here is James Toney during his best performance at heavyweight, KOing Holyfield in 2003. Toney weighed in at 217, coincedently the lightest he has been at a heavy.
http://www.elsesports.net/tvcmult/124404275.jpg

Here is Toney at 227 against Rydell Booker. Sorry the pic is not bigger, but you can see the diffence in Toney's body.
http://www.nctimes.com/content/artic...photo_top1.jpg

Toney's weight is absolutely a concern and will be for as long as he keeps fighting. He will never come in good shape, but he has shown that he doesn't always need to be in the best shape to win, this is one of those times I think he needs to be in good shape.

Tuds

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TONEY FTW

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what were the odds????????

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Obviously you did not watch the first fight live, but in no way did Toney dominate enough to earn the victory, but Peter did not dominate either. Both fighters could have made a case for winning that fight. It was a close fight no doubt, but to think that Toney was robbed is redicioulous.

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it's just my opinion, which btw is the same opinion many fans and media people held when they made it perfectly clear they thought toney won. even the wbc agreed, prompting them to mandate for an immediate rematch. any joeblow who doesn't follow boxing can read up on any story about this match and i guarantee you somewhere in that story they will read something along the lines of "the first match was very controversial" or "the scoring in the first match was hotly disputed." this signifies someone got shafted. and that someone was toney.

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The WBC is joke and fraud of a boxing organization. There previous fight was to determine who would fight Oleg, and for some reason Peter won a close fight, a spilt decision, but for some reason they have to do it over again. WHY, Peter won, so what if it was close, this is boxing there are close fights all the time, titles even change hands on close fights. So the WBC claiming bad scoring makes no sense because they appoint the judges so any incompetance should reflect on them. Not to mention their history of making some of the most idiotic moves in boxing is well documented (look at some reasons they have stripped titles from fighters and some mandatorys they have lined up).

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they have to do it again because not even the wbc, who mandated the first match and now the second one, thought peter won. they are trying to right a wrong. there are many incompetent judges in the sport and because of so a lot of fighters get shafted come decision time. the wbc ordering a rematch to this fight shows that they are taking a proactive approach in reversing dubious decisions. this approach (by having the fighters fight again) is better than just reversing or changing official decisions because it lets the fighters in the ring settle this for themselves and not by higher ups.



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Absolutley 5 pounds makes a difference in fighting, even heavyweights. If a fighter can't maintain a weight it shows something about the fighter himself, maybe a lack of training or focus, maybe an injure. In Toney's case he is fighting at a weight already too much from him. Toney's ideal weight is 205 or cruiserweight. I have seen all of his fights in the last 5 years or since his last fight as a cruiser and he looked like a great cruiserweight, but as a heavyweight he looks fat, gassed, and lacking real power.

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toney has proven without a shadow of a doubt that he is a heavyweight. a man that weights consistently over 240+lbs pre-fight should be fighting at heavy, not lower, and especially when you have shown that you belong there. toney has 6 fights at heavy with 4 wins, one draw, only one loss, and one no contest--all against hefty competition. he doesn't belong anywhere else.

btw i was referring to toney when i said the difference is negligible in the heavy weight division. for instance toney dominated holyfield at 217lbs, shutout booker at 227lbs, and convincingly beat guinn at 235lbs. he's been able to dominate no matter his weight.


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Toney's weight is absolutely a concern and will be for as long as he keeps fighting. He will never come in good shape, but he has shown that he doesn't always need to be in the best shape to win, this is one of those times I think he needs to be in good shape.

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if he replaces the fat with lean muscle, what do you think he will start weighing? toney has a lot of fat yes, but he also has a lot of muscle. the excess fat hinders more than it helps i agree, but it's not like he is gonna start weighing in his 210lbs if he gets rid of the fat. that loss of fat will be replaced by more lean muscle, which will keep him hovering around to what he is weighing now since muscle is denser than fat.

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btw if anyone needs something to watch after the nfl games, definitely tune in to this fight come saturday. should be a good one and best of all is not on ppv.

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Ok I'll watch it. What time?

-Diplomat

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Robin,

Did you watch the first fight LIVE on Showtime? The decsion is "controversial" because it was close, All close decisions in boxing are controversial. If you didnt watch if live and read about it and then watched it you are bias because you know the outcome. Like I said before I watched the first one live and it was a close fight and I was suprised Peter won, (mostly because I thought if it goes to the cards, Toney is going to win) well I might have been surprised by the outcome, but was not thinking Toney was screwed, Toney just lost a close fight. If Toney would have won the fight, it still would have been a controversial finish because a case could have been made for Peter. Lets not forget That Toney has Don King on his side, funny how even though that fight didn't turn out King's way, his fighters was able to get a rematch even though he lost (I wonder if King played apart in that happening)

Toney fought at middleweight, but was at his best at Super middle weight (168), just because he can eat like a heavyweight and then choose to not lose any weight down not make him a heavyweight. His fight against Holyfield was impressive, but his fight against Booker was a joke. Rydell Booker should not being the same arena as Toney, let alone the same ring, and Toney could not put him away. Beatnig Rydell Booker by DEC is nothing to brag about for Toney. After please don't mention Dominick Guinn as a viable Heavy. He is lost cause in the division. A guy who can only hope to break into the top 10 heavy weights as his biggest future plans. Yuck another average win for Toney. In his fight with Hasim Rahman, if he could have shown up in better shape, he wins, NO DOUBT, but he didn't. This is what James Toney brings to his fights now a days. He is overweight, throws in bunches, when he has the energy, defense is still very good, but he will gas like always.

Please don't get me wrong, Toney is a very good fighter, and I think he can win this fight, absolutely, but I don't think saying "Peter can only win by KO" is accurate because PETER ALREADY BEAT JAMES TONEY BY DECISION (and don't start complaining about bad scoring because this is boxing and you can argue bad scoring in just about every fight, you just take it because it part of the sport).

My pick is Peter and I think a late round, 11th stoppage. Toney gasses, Peter is then able to catch him with a big punch, to weaken him and then finishes a wounded Toney off (and the don't be surprised if Toney gets hit behind the head somewhere in there). But a Peter DEC is also very possible.

Tuds

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Robin,

Did you watch the first fight LIVE on Showtime? Lets not forget That Toney has Don King...

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yep i watched it live on showtime. and have since recorded it and watched it again many times. i have watched boxing for over 10 yrs, and with the help of camera angles, replays, box stats when watching them on tv, i feel i have a pretty good idea of what's happening inside the ring. most people shared my opinion of toney winning, and so did the wbc which is why they ordered an immediate rematch only weeks after the first fight. yep close decisions or controversial decisions happen all the time in boxing. they come and go, but this one didn't, this wasn't close. this one was different. this time people clearly thought one fighter won over the other very clearly, hence the wbc making a very rare move by ordering this rematch. they themselves thought the first fight needed to be 'corrected' per say not because the first fight was close, but because one fighter so clearly won over the other yet still lost.

btw, lou duva, peter's promoter, sold 50% of his promotional company to donk king. they are equal partners now. while toney's promoter, dan goosen, on the other hand only has a limited association with donk king (to have toney on showtime instead of hbo). which fighter is more in league with donk king?


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Toney fought at middleweight, but was at his...

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the fact that he walks around 240+lbs and fights at 230+lbs is what makes toney a heavyweight. i don't see how you can try to dispute this. if you walk around as a heavyweight and fight weighing this heavy, that makes you a heavyweight. toney will never weigh below the heavyweight limit at this point in his career.

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His fight against Holyfield was...

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i agree or some points and disagree on others. but opinions on fighting performances are subjective. and hence why i welcome people to make their own opinions about the performances in question by watching them themselves.


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Please don't get me wrong, Toney is a...

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i understand that you admire toney's skills and feel he is selling himself short at winning by not coming in at what you feel is his best possible shape.

i said peter only wins by ko based on what i saw in the first fight (and taking into account the other fights peter and toney have fought) for myself and not based on the scores/outcome. i thought toney outpointed peter decisively in the first, saw how bad a fighter peter is and saw how incredibly bad he looks versus a slick fighter like toney, and thought the only way peter wins against toney is to win via a miracle tko/ko. i was shocked they gave peter the decision at the end, of course. since toney was clearly the better fighter. i see this fight as aa (toney) vs kk peter preflop a hundred times over. toney has all the boxing skill in the world and peter has zero boxing skill. and since this is boxing and not a strongman contest, toney will hands down win the majority of times.

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My pick is Peter...

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i'm hoping for a strong ref like jay nady to warn peter of the rabbit punching. i don't think peter does this on purpose; he is so raw, undisciplined, and so inaccurate with his punches that a lot of his punches can land anywhere on a fighter's body, including the back of the head. with him, it's like sending dummy missiles instead of guided missiles at the target. still, he has to be warned as hitting behind the head is illegal due to the severe harm it can cause the brain.

oh, btw. im watching this fight live (as in i'll be in attendance @ the seminole hard rock). perhaps i'll come back to give a 'live' breakdown.

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1.6.2007 10:00 pm ET/PT on showtime

btw, these are highlights of the final press conference and of the weight-in. toney has a lot to say lol, as he always does. good job by him in hyping this fight.

video is on middle of page

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Robin,

The only thing that bothered me with your original statment is saying "Peter can only win by KO". Maybe I am misenterperting what you typed. Maybe you meant to say something like. "In this fight I believe that Peter is going to have to stop Toney because Toney is in better shape then before and will be more effective during this bout"

I guess what you said before just seemed like a comment a new-to-boxing-rube was spout off. Peter can be Toney if it goes to the cards, only because it has happened. Hey I was totally shocked when Peter was announced the winner of the first fight. Truly did not see that one coming.

Please don't keep saying Toney was robbed or the scoring was horrible. Showtimes' announce team, which top notch, even said it was a close fight and nobody thinks Toney was robbed on account of bad scoring. The first fight will not go down in anyone's "Biggest Screw Jobs in Boxing History". SHoot a bigger scoring problem is Kassim Ouma getting more then 1 maybe 2 rounds on the judges cards in his December fight against Jermain Taylor. I dare anyone to show me 3 rounds Ouma won in that fight, and some judges gave Ouma 4-5 rounds. That is BAD scoring.

The same way you think Peter has to win by KO, I think Toney can only win by DEC, and seeing Toney KO Peter would be about as surprising as seeing Peter win the DEC over Toney (fight I)

Tuds

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It turn out that Jay "Early Stoppage" Nady (as I and Zab Judah like to call him) will not be referring this fight like intial reported. Jorge Alonso will be the third man in the ring tomorrow night.

I guess that is good for anybody who has the OVER or the NO KO, TKO, DQ Prop because Jay Nady is not afraid to jump in at the first signs of trouble for a fighter.

* For the record I whole-heartly agree with Nadys stop on Judah against Kotsya Tszyu.

Tuds

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Robin,

The only thing that bothered me with your original statment is saying "Peter can only win by KO". Maybe I am misenterperting what you typed. Maybe you meant to say something like. "In this fight I believe that Peter is going to have to stop Toney because Toney is in better shape then before and will be more effective during this bout"

I guess what you said before just seemed like a comment a new-to-boxing-rube was spout off. Peter can be Toney if it goes to the cards, only because it has happened. Hey I was totally shocked when Peter was announced the winner of the first fight. Truly did not see that one coming.

Please don't keep saying Toney was robbed or the scoring was horrible. Showtimes' announce team, which top notch, even said it was a close fight and nobody thinks Toney was robbed on account of bad scoring. The first fight will not go down in anyone's "Biggest Screw Jobs in Boxing History". SHoot a bigger scoring problem is Kassim Ouma getting more then 1 maybe 2 rounds on the judges cards in his December fight against Jermain Taylor. I dare anyone to show me 3 rounds Ouma won in that fight, and some judges gave Ouma 4-5 rounds. That is BAD scoring.

The same way you think Peter has to win by KO, I think Toney can only win by DEC, and seeing Toney KO Peter would be about as surprising as seeing Peter win the DEC over Toney (fight I)

Tuds

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It is true, IN THE EYES OF TONEY FANS, Peter can only win by KO. With their fighting styles, it is nearly impossible for Peter to win another decision without it being "highly contested" again. Does anyone know if open scoring is going to be used?

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there was a poll among media after the first fight, and 25 of 27 boxing writers sitting at ringside had the fight for toney. only two people out of 27 people had it for toney when they watched it live at ringside.

even showtime's very own, al bernstein, had it for toney.

most people who watched the fight live at ringside booed the decision.

after the fight, many boxing writers and analysts who weren't at ringside but also watched the fight wrote about having given the fight to toney. there was also another poll where they asked even more boxing writers and media and something like over 80% had it for toney.

yet two of the official scores had peter winning 116-111? Of course there was bad judging and scoring in this one hence the complaints.

but it's all good. they are doing it again. can't wait to see it live at ringside, too!

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is the fight over yet? I got Samuel Peter -115 & o11.5

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is the fight over yet? I got Samuel Peter -115 & o11.5

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Should start 8PM Pacific time.

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Any idea where I might be able to see this online? No showtime up here...

-Diplomat

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any updates anybody? i cannot get the fight here.

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any updates anybody? i cannot get the fight here.

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Mike Tyson stormed the ring and stabbed everyone in sight.

J

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Peter by UD.

It appears he actually trained for this fight and his handlers are very good. He was well coached to say the least.

J

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Peter looked great, like a real fighter! His shots were shorter, faster, and cleaner, and he conditioning was good. Also, he fought pretty smart, keeping his distance when Toney went to the ropes, and piling up points instead of trying to force a KO. You have to like him against Maskeav.

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very hard to pick a fighter (peter) when his only shot at winning is by ko'ing a fighter (toney) - RobinFoolz

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There was a reason I thought this might have been the dumbest quote of the year on this board. It bothered me so much when I read it that I devoted 4-5 posts on it trying to get RobinFoolz to take it back, but everytime he kept by his logic that Sam Peter has ZERO chance to win a DEC, while I guess your boxing mind is not so great because not only did Sam Peter win this fight, but he almost shutout James Toney on the cards, IMAGINE THAT. I want to hear Robin's excuse for James Toney in this fight and give us(me) some BS reason James Toney really should have earned this DEC. Come on lets hear it since you are such a Toney sympathsizer.

Like I said before Peter can win a DEC because he did it before. Think about Sam Peter has 2 DECISION wins over James Toney on his record and nothing/nobody can take those away. Argue all you want, but Sam Peter proved right now he is far and away the best fighter between the two.


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Toney's ideal weight is 205 or cruiserweight. I have seen all of his fights in the last 5 years or since his last fight as a cruiser and he looked like a great cruiserweight, but as a heavyweight he looks fat, gassed, and lacking real power. - ME

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Also Robin, did you catch at the end of the fight Al Bernstein (my eyes the most knowledgable boxing commentator) said that Jame Toney is not a top heavyweight and if he wants to be a champion he needs to drop down to 205 and fight at cruiserweight, funny I think I said that earlier this week and you flamed me saying, something along the lines of; If Toney weighs as much as a heavyweight...then he is a heavyweight. Well Yes then he is a heavyweight...an AVERAGE Heavyweight.

BTW: My $$ was on Toney to NOT with by KO, TKO, or DQ, and that might have been the safest bet under -600 all year in any sport (I got it at -550, sorry had to brad because it was about -1200 fight time.)

Enjoy your $$ to anyone who followed my pick and took Sam Peter.

Tuds