POKER=Cheating-Teams-Bots-Why Play?
 

After reading and contributing threads to this site for a short while, it has become clear, several posters realize poker, whether it is on line or in a brick and mortar, involves, some suspect happenigs.

Participants in poker are up against: team play, bad management, no recourse, untrustworthy sites, and no recourse.

Wouldn't tournament poker players be smarter to organize their own organization, hire their own staff, enforce their own rules, on their own members, find sponsors, function as a 501 c-6 or c-3 organization, market and sell their product, like the PGA Tour?

Play for other peoples money, is that too easy of a answer?

If memory serves me correctly, it cost about $100.00 entry to win $ 1,000,000.00 (or more) first place on the PGA Tour.

It is quite clear from several of the threads on this site, known team work in poker tournaments exsists, cheaters exsist, on line sites are not trust worthy. (never mind that one might be playing a bot)

Maybe that guy who said "a sucker is born every minute was correct"!

Why play? Enlighten me!

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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KATHY=Crappy agruments, nothing worth reading-Why post?

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Humble Pie,

Eff you for messing up the screen width

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Humble Pie,

Eff you for messing up the screen width

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Kathy: We get it, you hate poker or you hate 2+2...your reason for being here is..???

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Chicken and Egg.

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I don't mind 2x2ers.

I do mind cheats, thieves, liars, manipulators.

I would enjoy poker more, if I found more honesty in the games.

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]


Kathy: We get it, you hate poker or you hate 2+2...your reason for being here is..???

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Great players who run well will make significant amounts of money over the long run. Good players who run will will make money over the short run. Playing poker is fun. Bad players can learn to play "good". Good players can learn to play "great". That's about all there is to it.

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Kathy is really russ g for real. Russ I love your work keep it up. Just dont talk about anything in the poker world that has happend in the last 5 years cause thats were your BS starts

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Kathy is really russ g for real. Russ I love your work keep it up. Just dont talk about anything in the poker world that has happend in the last 5 years cause thats were your BS starts

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Sorry, I'm not Russ G. Maybe I should meet Russ G.

I do go back to the days of collusion in poker tournaments when there were only 100 entries (or less) in the World Series. (70's)

Maybe that is why some hold soooo many titles!

(Chip sluffing from their corporation)

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I would enjoy poker more, if I found more honesty in the games.

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I think the majority of people would. Things aren't perfect though, in almost any field liars, cheaters, manipulators exist. It isn't just poker by any means...

I'm not trying to defend poker really, I think it can be a very shady game filled with shady players/dirty tactics. You either accept the risk when you enter a casino or online or you don't gamble...Sounds to me like you should become a no stakes home player only perhaps???

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Oh man, 'she' used the term Corporation, which is a theory of Russ G that Doyle and co run a huge cheating ring out of vegas sharing rolls, colluding and generally fleacing people.

The big name victim last i read it was Gus Hanson, who (according to rumour) went busto in the big game.

Im pretty sure the Corporation was also the group which marked every card in the two WSOPs Greg Raymer won and then went deep in, and his glasses were special to see the marks.

I do like a good conspiracy theory.

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what's interesting about this thread is that instead of addressing the issues raised people post mindless replies attacking the poster personally.

There are some good ideas raised and the parallel between poker and golf and how both sports are run is a good one. There ARE cheating teams on the WPT/tournament circuit. Always were. Does anyone think anything has changed because of TV/larger prize pools?
There most likely are cheating teams online too. That is a matter of little debate even among 2plus2 posters.
The extent of online cheating is unknown though.
A well known online cheat (ZeeJustin) just made the final table of a major BM tournament. Michael Mizrachi is an admitted online cheat. Do you think any of these people or the many many people on the poker tour who are 10 times more crooked think twice about cheating any way they can?

In fact these are not even the people who are probably doing the most cheating in BM tournys and online sites. They are just the guys that got caught/admitted to it.
They are the tip of the iceberg in every way.


Someone posts to discuss this and all 90% of the morons on this forum can do is attack the OP.

Good job guys.
Keep jerking off to Brandirose and making idiotic posts, the cheaters online and in BM tournaments thank you for all your help.

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THE CORPORATION SCREWED MANKIND! THEY WERE GROOMING THE ROCK TO BE THE CORPORATE CHAMPION ALL ALONG!!! MAH GAWD!!

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Luckychancer,

See my first reply:

"Chicken and Egg"

Until poker is clean, not just actually clean but percieved as clean, poker wont draw such huge sponsors to make a PGA style poker tour possible.

The fact is, poker is gambling and most big companies dont want to have their product associated with gambling.

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Good Response.

90% is about correct.

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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After reading and contributing threads to this site for a short while, it has become clear, several posters realize poker, whether it is on line or in a brick and mortar, involves, some suspect happenigs.

Participants in poker are up against: team play, bad management, no recourse, untrustworthy sites, and no recourse.

Wouldn't tournament poker players be smarter to organize their own organization, hire their own staff, enforce their own rules, on their own members, find sponsors, function as a 501 c-6 or c-3 organization, market and sell their product, like the PGA Tour?

Play for other peoples money, is that too easy of a answer?

If memory serves me correctly, it cost about $100.00 entry to win $ 1,000,000.00 (or more) first place on the PGA Tour.

It is quite clear from several of the threads on this site, known team work in poker tournaments exsists, cheaters exsist, on line sites are not trust worthy. (never mind that one might be playing a bot)

Maybe that guy who said "a sucker is born every minute was correct"!

Why play? Enlighten me!

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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You may have played a long time, but you haven't settled down, found your "niche". If you can't handle tournaments (which seem the focus of your thoughts), don't bother with them. Just because something is available, doesn't mean you have to participate. Just because a B&M open it's doors, doesn't mean you have to go inside, even if it's only a mile away. Become very selective don't play anything or anywhere unless you are comfortable.

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what's interesting about this thread is that instead of addressing the issues raised people post mindless replies attacking the poster personally.

There are some good ideas raised and the parallel between poker and golf and how both sports are run is a good one. There ARE cheating teams on the WPT/tournament circuit. Always were. Does anyone think anything has changed because of TV/larger prize pools?
There most likely are cheating teams online too. That is a matter of little debate even among 2plus2 posters.
The extent of online cheating is unknown though.
A well known online cheat (ZeeJustin) just made the final table of a major BM tournament. Michael Mizrachi is an admitted online cheat. Do you think any of these people or the many many people on the poker tour who are 10 times more crooked think twice about cheating any way they can?

In fact these are not even the people who are probably doing the most cheating in BM tournys and online sites. They are just the guys that got caught/admitted to it.
They are the tip of the iceberg in every way.


Someone posts to discuss this and all 90% of the morons on this forum can do is attack the OP.

Good job guys.
Keep jerking off to Brandirose and making idiotic posts, the cheaters online and in BM tournaments thank you for all your help.

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Nice 4th post...perhaps before making your 5th you will look at the posters history and see all the rigged/cheating/fixed propoganda that has been coming out of OP's mouth.

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Maybe you don't realize the cheating today is worse than ever in poker.

I have played the 10/20 blind no limit in the Bellagio (and higher) since the game started up 3 years ago or so and I have played poker for over 30 years in Las Vegas.

The reason I am posting so much regarding cheating, is a concern for poker.

(The Bellagio higher limit games are no longer safe to play at either. I won't even go into the details about violating the gaming laws)

Why insult someone for posting their thoughts, like luckychancer did?

Maybe luckychancer is not a newbie, perhaps, using someone using a different identity.

Read all my posts, I still am looking for an answer to Alaska Highway.

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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hi William, how are you today

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Maybe that guy who said "a sucker is born every minute was correct"!

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Why play? Enlighten me!

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Because the suckers greatly outnumber the successful cheaters. If that ever changes, then you stop playing.

Don't you have something better to do than ask these dumb questions from a gimmick account?

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Kathy,

Why do i play?

because i easily make >$500/hr sitting on my ass clicking a mouse while singing journey to myself in my underwear

i'm sorry that you suck

-SM

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so its all about money for you!

too bad, life's so short.

KATHY

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Is every woman on the internet retarded or just the ones that post in NVG?

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what's interesting about this thread is that instead of addressing the issues raised people post mindless replies attacking the poster personally.

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This is a 2+2 staple. Isn't that why 90 percent of the people are on here? To rip the OP's?

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re: 2+2 staple

90%, appears so, have you counted?

KATHY

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re: kathy,

do you have down syndrome. I am 90% certain this appears to be the case.

PPLAYER28

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OK, counting yourself, count backwards and see how many meet your definition of correct. check any thread.

idea: start with the brandi threads!
Kathy

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Kathy,

You asked why I played poker. I answered you in a very appropriate fashion. If I asked any random person off the street if they'd like to do what I did I think 99 percent would say "yes"

Again, I'm sorry that you're terrible and blame "cheating"

oh and YSSCKY

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If I asked any random person off the street if they'd like to do what I did I think 99 percent would say "yes"

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Wow. I'd put the number at around 20%. Perhaps 40% among geeky college males.

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so its all about money for you!

too bad, life's so short.

KATHY

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Um the money we are able to make allows us more free time to enjoy life, your statement is very false.

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so its all about money for you!

too bad, life's so short.

KATHY

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Um the money we are able to make allows us more free time to enjoy life, your statement is very false.

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Nice thought, not true for all. Some are hung up in the exchange attempting to accumulate the money, never taking the time to enjoy/explore the planet.

Kathy

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Is not this the point!

Wouldn't tournament poker players be smarter to organize their own organization, hire their own staff, enforce their own rules, on their own members, find sponsors, function as a 501 c-6 or c-3 organization, market and sell their product, like the PGA Tour?

Play for other peoples money, is that too easy of a answer?

If memory serves me correctly, it cost about $100.00 entry to win $ 1,000,000.00 (or more) first place on the PGA Tour.

It is quite clear from several of the threads on this site, known team work in poker tournaments exsists, cheaters exsist, on line sites are not trust worthy. (never mind that one might be playing a bot)

Maybe that guy who said "a sucker is born every minute was correct"!

Why play? Enlighten me!

KATHY [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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if all the on-line players who truly net 500 per hour over the course of a year (or even 6 months) were the only 2+2 members allowed to respond to op would she/he really get any responses. c'mon ............who believes poker players when they talk about their winnings? especially the faceless cyber players?................b

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Is not this the point of this thread!

Wouldn't tournament poker players be smarter to organize their own organization, hire their own staff, enforce their own rules, on their own members, find sponsors, function as a 501 c-6 or c-3 organization, market and sell their product, like the PGA Tour?

Play for other peoples money, is that too easy of a answer?

If memory serves me correctly, it cost about $100.00 entry to win $ 1,000,000.00 (or more) first place on the PGA Tour.

It is quite clear from several of the threads on this site, known team work in poker tournaments exsists, cheaters exsist, on line sites are not trust worthy. (never mind that one might be playing a bot)

Maybe that guy who said "a sucker is born every minute was correct"!

Why play? Enlighten me!

KATHY

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(The Bellagio higher limit games are no longer safe to play at either. I won't even go into the details about violating the gaming laws)


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Yeah, no reason to mess up your baseless accusations with some facts.

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Wouldn't tournament poker players be smarter to organize their own organization, hire their own staff, enforce their own rules, on their own members, find sponsors, function as a 501 c-6 or c-3 organization, market and sell their product, like the PGA Tour?


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Thats a lot of hard work (not to mention "real" work). People play cards so they don't have to do that [censored]. If they wanted to hire their own staff, mess around with marketing, and get into sales THEY WOULDN'T BE PLAYING POKER NOW WOULD THEY? THEY WOULD WORK IN AN OFFICE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

You're either the best troll ever or the worst poster ever

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Whaat?

You don't know about the different poker alliances/associations, with a multitude of members, charging dues, going nowhere.

One of those associations needs to do the work for the players.

Simple - Why can't 2x2ers get past the insults?

KATHY

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First of all, that isn't what you said. You said the players need to organize and hire people. Ok, lets say this is a good idea (which it is not). Who chooses who they hire? Who makes the rules?

I do know about the different poker alliances, and you said it best when you said going nowhere.

That is where your stupid idea is going to go. I'd like to see a successful outline.

The reason I said you a troll or awful poster is because every post you make is about how poker sucks. Go play backgammon then

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This is my point, to those that care to learn/listen

KATHY