calling a reraise with AK at 1/2 NL full ring
 

I used to call a reasonable reraise with AK (2-3x my raise) but I've stopped doing it recently. I mean, 60% of the time I miss the flop and they take it down with a bluff, the other 30% I'm getting reverse implied odds or no action unless they are very bad. Not to mention all the times you get reraised by AK in which case the guy reraising has a huge advantage and you have almost no chance to win. It seems to me that against all but the worst players calling a reraise with AK is bad... am I way off base here?

This is assuming you have an image of a tight and aggressive player. That might be my problem actually, I'm sure it plays way differently if you are viewed as loose. I'm sure some meta game considerations come into play too, you don't want people thinking you fold to every raise. Although I'm not sure what calling a raise pre and then folding the flop does for your image either.

Anyways... what do you guys think? If you call reraises with AK what is your reasoning?

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Folding PF is pretty standard.

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depends on the size of the reraise. Alot of idiots min reraise and I never fold. But OOP against a tight player, it could be standard.

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I see.... well I guess I've been blowing money on AK this whole time then, woops!

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i think i'd much rather push than call.

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So you raise 4xbb UTG, average 35/8 player reraised to 10xbb from MP, and it gets back to you. Push for (assuming full stacks 200nl) 190, 180 to MP to call.

I would only do this against a buddy list type player. Any player that isn't awful probably only calls when he's beating me or a coinflip, and he's beating me often enough that the occasional loss of a stack will be greater than picking up his 10 bb's.

But then again, I don't have any experience pushing AK. I experimented with it twice a while ago, and after getting called by KK, I gave up. It's worth it if opponents will call with AQ or AJ. Do they?

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So you raise 4xbb UTG, average 35/8 player reraised to 10xbb from MP, and it gets back to you. Push for (assuming full stacks 200nl) 190, 180 to MP to call.

I would only do this against a buddy list type player. Any player that isn't awful probably only calls when he's beating me or a coinflip, and he's beating me often enough that the occasional loss of a stack will be greater than picking up his 10 bb's.

But then again, I don't have any experience pushing AK. I experimented with it twice a while ago, and after getting called by KK, I gave up. It's worth it if opponents will call with AQ or AJ. Do they?

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Thats an awful lot to push in over the top.

How about reraising to 40BB and see if he wants to push with his TT-QQ/AK-AJ or is willing to lay down to you?

Alot of this also depends on the situation and the player of course. Some people who view themselves as "good" and get out of line too much at lower stakes can easily reraise you light (I got my AKo min-raised by K7o by a guy who was an unknown and turned out to be a tool, I decided to call and play a small pot OOP instead of reraising him. But I digress...)

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So you raise 4xbb UTG, average 35/8 player reraised to 10xbb from MP, and it gets back to you. Push for (assuming full stacks 200nl) 190, 180 to MP to call.

I would only do this against a buddy list type player. Any player that isn't awful probably only calls when he's beating me or a coinflip, and he's beating me often enough that the occasional loss of a stack will be greater than picking up his 10 bb's.

But then again, I don't have any experience pushing AK. I experimented with it twice a while ago, and after getting called by KK, I gave up. It's worth it if opponents will call with AQ or AJ. Do they?

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With my image if I did something like that and the guy knew me and was decent he'd have to fold qq and jj and would probably even consider folding KK. I suppose if I knew he'd fold everything but AA reraising all-in with AK would be profitable, but I'd have to space it out a lot. They'd start calling sooner or later if I didn't. Unfortunately I have the image I do exactly because I DON'T do moves like that :P

Obviously if you see someone calling all-ins with < AK pre you will push your AK, I've never really seen that though. To me its lower variance and easier to just call and try to hit an A or K against players like that. Honestly though unless you are at 6 max I don't think you run into many players who are +ev to push ak against pre. As far as I know you really only push AK for fold equity.

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I think I'm behind...pure and simple. How far behind is anyone's guess...but why would you call when your best hope is for a tie(assuming he's not one of these guys who reraise with any Ace-Paint)?

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Pushing AKo or AKsuited preflop after a reraise is some of the worst chip spewing I see. Call, play poker and be willing to fold it.

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So you raise 4xbb UTG, average 35/8 player reraised to 10xbb from MP, and it gets back to you. Push for (assuming full stacks 200nl) 190, 180 to MP to call.

I would only do this against a buddy list type player. Any player that isn't awful probably only calls when he's beating me or a coinflip, and he's beating me often enough that the occasional loss of a stack will be greater than picking up his 10 bb's.

But then again, I don't have any experience pushing AK. I experimented with it twice a while ago, and after getting called by KK, I gave up. It's worth it if opponents will call with AQ or AJ. Do they?

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With my image if I did something like that and the guy knew me and was decent he'd have to fold qq and jj and would probably even consider folding KK. I suppose if I knew he'd fold everything but AA reraising all-in with AK would be profitable, but I'd have to space it out a lot. They'd start calling sooner or later if I didn't. Unfortunately I have the image I do exactly because I DON'T do moves like that :P

Obviously if you see someone calling all-ins with < AK pre you will push your AK, I've never really seen that though. To me its lower variance and easier to just call and try to hit an A or K against players like that. Honestly though unless you are at 6 max I don't think you run into many players who are +ev to push ak against pre. As far as I know you really only push AK for fold equity.

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at 1/2 i would believe that ppl fold KK to an all in reraise about 0% of the time.

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This is entirely dependent on player reraising as far as I'm concerned and nothing more. If player is a total donk I will reraise AK OOP and try and take it down right there. I play a very loose game though so occasionally I find a good player doing this to me. If I know he knows my raising standards are loose I'm more apt to come over the top of him. In position I usually prefer to call and play poker.

Against even a normal player at these levels though AK is crap once you're 3bet in these spots. I'm folding 90% of the time. I would much rather have a suited connector in a spot like this, though usually only in position with deep stacks.

So yea I mean in brief just fold AK in these spots for now. You dont seem comfortable enough yet to play here as it is definitely a really awkward spot

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at 1/2 i would believe that ppl fold KK to an all in reraise about 0% of the time.

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Yep I realize that, it's all to do with reads though, theres only a few people I can think of that would fold KK to me. I was mostly just theorizing though, if I'm going to make moves on those players I can pick a lot higher ev spots to bluff.

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There are very few times that I do anything but fold to a reraise with AK preflop. If it is a minreraise and the stacks are deepish at 1/2, I will call, but I don't even like these situations. If I have a read that this player reraises loosely, I am repopping it up.