Coloring up and the effects on an individual hand (question).
 

Ok so I was messing around last night at a bar poker league and it came down to heads up play. I had 12k in chips whereas my opponent had about 60k or so.

So I am in the big blind for 6k and my opponent raises me all in. I am fairly sure he has ace rag and I look down at K3. Right as I look down the tournament director comes over and says the blinds will go up to 5k-10k next hand and we are going to be colored up.

So my question is this...do I lay down this hand with half my chips in the pot knowing that the next hand I will be colored up to 10k or am I better off playing the hand and putting the rest of my money in. Does the fact that I will be colored up and increase what I currently have change anything. Just something I was thinking about.

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K high heads up with half of your chips in the BB, you have to call. Mathematically it wouldn't make sense not to.

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K high heads up with half of your chips in the BB, you have to call. Mathematically it wouldn't make sense not to.

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You can't know that unless you know what the payout structure is. If you have opponent on Ax, folding may be the better option here. List the payouts for the top 2 and I could tell you for sure.

That said, you're probably pushing or calling for all of your chips every hand from here on out. This particular hand is tricky because of the read and the 4k you get for folding.

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First, unless you just lost a lot of chips in the previous hand, you shouldn't be in a situation where you're in a position to make that decision.

Second, he's got you severely out-chipped, and could be raising you all in with any pair, any Ace, any King, any Queen, any Jack, and maybe even any ten. Even if he's the tightest player in the world, the blinds relative to his stack are very high, and he's feeling pressure too. I would love to hear how you "knew" that he had Ace rag.

That said, you would have gone all in (or should have, anyway) if you were first to act, so calling in this case is right (simply because there is no way to know where you stand, and the odds of you getting a better hand after the chip-up is relatively low.)

But to answer your original question, you're no better off waiting until the next hand in this case. Not to mention that as long as you had live cards, you were getting the right price to call anyway.

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See what the scenario is if both players are going to be pushing calling every hand from here on out (not an unlikely scenario with the blinds this high).

If you fold, you should be 12.5 percent to win (three coin flips).

1) Give up here, then win the next three hands

If you call, you're about 9 percent to win, since one of your coin flip is now replaced by a 63-36 situation.

1) You'll have to win as about a 63-36 dog, and
2) Win the next two hands
3) Cut a hole in the box

In either case, you have to win 3 hands. However, your Ax read (if correct) in this particular hand changes your chances somewhat.

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Again, I ask: How could you ever "read" his hand as Ax in this case? It's 100% impossible.

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That doesn't change what he actually asked, just like it doesn't matter what he "should have" done prior. Besides, he doesn't have to put him on Ax, he could put him on any ace, any better king, or any pair, and still get roughly the same result I listed above.

Even more, some very novice players can have a rediculously tight range in situations like this, so it's not unthinkable that even here you could get some kind of read. The guy's playing a bar, after all, so it may not be push/fold for the other player necessarily, which would be another reason to consider folding here.

If it is push/fold though, and your read tells you that you're a 60-40 dog, I think you should fold here. You still have to win three hands, but you don't have to start with this one.

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I think the more important issue that people are overlooking here is the psycological impact of coloring up the chips.

All of a sudden, your opponent goes from having xxxx chips to xx chips, so his new stack will be looking pretty small. If he is a novice, this could swing the odds in your favor, so its a clear fold here.

Wait until the next hand, when he is devastated from losing his giantic tower of $10s and $100s; then, in a loud, firm voice, announce "I'M ALL IN" and splash the pot with your remaining chips.

If done correctly, this just might be enough to send him into ultra-conservative mode, where he'll fold every hand except the nuts, leaving you with the perfect opportunity to rake in the large blinds and secure a win.

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I think the more important issue that people are overlooking here is the psycological impact of coloring up the chips.

All of a sudden, your opponent goes from having xxxx chips to xx chips, so his new stack will be looking pretty small. If he is a novice, this could swing the odds in your favor, so its a clear fold here.

Wait until the next hand, when he is devastated from losing his giantic tower of $10s and $100s; then, in a loud, firm voice, announce "I'M ALL IN" and splash the pot with your remaining chips.

If done correctly, this just might be enough to send him into ultra-conservative mode, where he'll fold every hand except the nuts, leaving you with the perfect opportunity to rake in the large blinds and secure a win.

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Wow, that's so not going to play out in real life. LOL @ silly plan and $10 chips

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K high. Heads up. Half your chips in the pot in the bb.
If you win this hand you have 24k.
If you win the next one you have 20k.
PUSH!

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How can you put your opponet on Acerag? you have 50% of your money in the pot, basically commited, he will be pushing a good amount of hands.

And how does this color up work? if you win do you get colored up to 20k chips?

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Apparently, they're coloring up to 5k chips. They take all of the smaller denomination chips and trade them in for 5k and higher. Since a lot of the time it's not exact, they round up. In this case, if he folds he'll still have 6k, but that will be colored up to 10k.

Either way, OP is going to have to win three consecutive hands if both players are pushing & calling to the end - regardless of whether or not you fold this hand.

How he reads Ax is besides the point - if you think you're behind in this one (for whatever reason), then you could opt to let this one go and play the next three. If it weren't for the color-up and the huge percentage increase to your stack, of course you auto-call.

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Thanks for the responses and input.

As far as putting him on Ax, he only raised with ace rag. Every other hand he tried to slowplay, including small pairs, big pairs. So my read was not 100% but I was fairly confident(and correct) that he had Ax. And yes, they were going to color up to 5k chips and round up any amounts.

I actually went ahead and called with K3, but when he came over to color up for the next hand this immediately jumped in my mind. It was going to be a call until he mentioned coloring up. So that swayed my decision and I was unsure.

Thanks for the input, and I know i need a lot of luck to win the next three hands, but I just wanted to see how this situation would affect the whole thing.

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First of all, you should basically call ATC here.

Second, you should absolutely call with K-high.

Third, there is no way in your right mind you should be "fairly sure he had A-rag".

Fourth, the fact that you're coloring up next hand means absolutely nothing.

This is a retarded thread.


EDIT: Did I misunderstand what you were asking? what do you mean you will be colored up to 10K?? Coloring up refers to changing the denominations of chips, not the value of stacks. Did this bar tournament for some reason add chips at each level? If such is the case, it is at least conceivable that you should fold.

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You ever play in a live tourney, ALaw?

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First of all, you should basically call ATC here.

Second, you should absolutely call with K-high.

Third, there is no way in your right mind you should be "fairly sure he had A-rag".

Fourth, the fact that you're coloring up next hand means absolutely nothing.

This is a retarded thread.


EDIT: Did I misunderstand what you were asking? what do you mean you will be colored up to 10K?? Coloring up refers to changing the denominations of chips, not the value of stacks. Did this bar tournament for some reason add chips at each level? If such is the case, it is at least conceivable that you should fold.

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Yes chips were added during coloring up. I had 6k in chips and it was going to be colored up to 5k denominations. Therefore the lone 1k chip is rounded up to a 5k chip. Hence the reason for the thread.