Art Monk robbed yet again.
 

Well, it looks like for the 6th straight consecutive year in a row running Art Monk has been jobbed by NFLHOF voters. Sure, he only had 3 pro bowls, but when he retired, he was the NFL's all time leader in receptions, held the record for most catches in a season for awhile, and had 3 SB appearances, with 2 wins. John Stallworth is in with 400 less catches and same amount of pro bowls, as is his teammate, Lynn Swann, with over 6 HUNDRED less catches and same amount of pro bowls. Monk's stats aren't inflated by the rise of recptions that has come about in the past 10-12 years either. I'm not saying he's the best ever, not by a long shot, but he easily deserves to be in the hall.

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He wasn't the best wr on his team for more than 3 years of his career. why should he get in? I went over this in the other thread.

Catches != great reciever.

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Michael Irvin was a better player.

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Michael Irvin was a better player.

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I have to agree with the oringinal post. There's no doubt that Art Monk deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He even retired with the reception record, and he did not get inflated numbers like some players (namely Chris Carter). Also, Swann and Stallworth are not nearly as deserving as Monk. At least that is my opinion on the matter (not that anyone asked.)

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I have to agree with the oringinal post. There's no doubt that Art Monk deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He even retired with the reception record, and he did not get inflated numbers like some players (namely Chris Carter). Also, Swann and Stallworth are not nearly as deserving as Monk. At least that is my opinion on the matter (not that anyone asked.)

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sure, might as well let don beebe in.

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Sure. But you're wrong on your other post. When was he not the best reciever on his team?

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Michael Irvin was a better player.

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Fine. He'll get in.

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Michael Irvin was a better player.

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Fine. He'll get in.

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Cocaine's a helluva drug!

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sure, might as well let don beebe in.

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Don Beebe- Zero Pro Bowls, Zero SB wins

Career Stats.
Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1989 buf | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 17 317 18.6 2 |
| 1990 buf | 12 | 1 23 23.0 0 | 11 221 20.1 1 |
| 1991 buf | 11 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 32 414 12.9 6 |
| 1992 buf | 12 | 1 -6 -6.0 0 | 33 554 16.8 2 |
| 1993 buf | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 31 504 16.3 3 |
| 1994 buf | 13 | 2 11 5.5 0 | 40 527 13.2 4 |
| 1995 car | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 14 152 10.9 1 |
| 1996 gnb | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 39 699 17.9 4 |
| 1997 gnb | 10 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 28 14.0 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 116 | 4 28 7.0 0 | 219 3416 15.6 23

Art Monk. 3 Pro bowls, 2 SB victories. Held each of Single season reception record and Career record at one time.

Career stats.

Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 1980 was | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 58 797 13.7 3 |
| 1981 was | 16 | 1 -5 -5.0 0 | 56 894 16.0 6 |
| 1982 was | 9 | 7 21 3.0 0 | 35 447 12.8 1 |
| 1983 was | 12 | 3 -19 -6.3 0 | 47 746 15.9 5 |
| 1984 was | 16 | 2 18 9.0 0 | 106 1372 12.9 7 |
| 1985 was | 15 | 7 51 7.3 0 | 91 1226 13.5 2 |
| 1986 was | 16 | 4 27 6.8 0 | 73 1068 14.6 4 |
| 1987 was | 9 | 6 63 10.5 0 | 38 483 12.7 6 |
| 1988 was | 16 | 7 46 6.6 0 | 72 946 13.1 5 |
| 1989 was | 16 | 3 8 2.7 0 | 86 1186 13.8 8 |
| 1990 was | 16 | 7 59 8.4 0 | 68 770 11.3 5 |
| 1991 was | 16 | 9 19 2.1 0 | 71 1049 14.8 8 |
| 1992 was | 16 | 6 45 7.5 0 | 46 644 14.0 3 |
| 1993 was | 16 | 1 -1 -1.0 0 | 41 398 9.7 2 |
| 1994 nyj | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 46 581 12.6 3 |
| 1995 phi | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 6 114 19.0 0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 224 | 63 332 5.3 0 | 940 12721 13.5 68


Try not to suck so much at posting.

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Seriously, when did Issac Bruce lead the NFL in anything?

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Seriously, when did Issac Bruce lead the NFL in anything?

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1995-Recieving yards

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That's funny, this says Jerry Rice did, but I didn't collect the info.

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That's funny, this says Jerry Rice did, but I didn't collect the info.

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1996 then

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I stand corrected.

Clearly he's better than Art Monk. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Sure. But you're wrong on your other post. When was he not the best reciever on his team?

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gary clark

1985 72 rec, 926 yd, 5td
1986 74 rec, 1265 yd, 7td
1987 56 rec, 1066 yd, 7td
1988 59 rec, 892 yd 7td
1989 79 rec, 1229 yd, 9td
1990 75 rec, 1112 yd, 8td
1991 70 rec, 1340 yd, 10td
1992 64 rec, 912 yd, 5td

career among league's top ten

rec 1986 10th 1987 t-9 1989 7th 1990 5th
rec yards 1986 4th 1987 3rd 1989 8th 1990 4th 1991 2nd
rec td 1987 t-7 1988 t-9 1989 t-6 1990 t-6 1991 t-5
yards from scrimmage 1991 7th


monk

1980 58/797/3
1981 56/894/6
1982 35/447/1
1983 47/746/5
1984 106/1372/7

then clark comes on the team...

1985 91/1226/2
1986 73/1068/4
1987 38/483/6
1988 72/946/5
1989 86/1186/8
1990 68/770/5
1991 71/1049/8
1992 46/644/3

league top tens

rec 1984 1st 1985 2nd 1988 t-9 1989 t-3
rec yards 1984 4th 1985 3rd 1989 10th
rec tds 1991 t-9


notice a pattern yet?

and if you wanna argue 1988, ricky sanders went 73/1148/12 that year and 80/1138/4 in 1989

edit - added pre-85 stats

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Don Beebe- Zero Pro Bowls, One SB win

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FYP

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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I know I'm late to this thread, but there is a lot wrong about that statement.

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if you want monk in, you want issac bruce in.

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Sure. But you're wrong on your other post. When was he not the best reciever on his team?

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gary clark

1985 72 rec, 926 yd, 5td
1986 74 rec, 1265 yd, 7td
1987 56 rec, 1066 yd, 7td
1988 59 rec, 892 yd 7td
1989 79 rec, 1229 yd, 9td
1990 75 rec, 1112 yd, 8td
1991 70 rec, 1340 yd, 10td
1992 64 rec, 912 yd, 5td

career among league's top ten

rec 1986 10th 1987 t-9 1989 7th 1990 5th
rec yards 1986 4th 1987 3rd 1989 8th 1990 4th 1991 2nd
rec td 1987 t-7 1988 t-9 1989 t-6 1990 t-6 1991 t-5
yards from scrimmage 1991 7th


monk

1980 58/797/3
1981 56/894/6
1982 35/447/1
1983 47/746/5
1984 106/1372/7

then clark comes on the team...

1985 91/1226/2
1986 73/1068/4
1987 38/483/6
1988 72/946/5
1989 86/1186/8
1990 68/770/5
1991 71/1049/8
1992 46/644/3

league top tens

rec 1984 1st 1985 2nd 1988 t-9 1989 t-3
rec yards 1984 4th 1985 3rd 1989 10th
rec tds 1991 t-9


notice a pattern yet?

and if you wanna argue 1988, ricky sanders went 73/1148/12 that year and 80/1138/4 in 1989

edit - added pre-85 stats

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So, he leads clark in receptions in 4 of those years, and in one he played only 9 games to clark's 12, and Clark has only a slightly higher CPG that year, even without Monk taking away catches. Clark had more yards as the deep threat, like Moss, while Monk was more like Cris Carter Pretty weak argument. I don't see a pattern other than two recievers putting up solid #'s. Again, i'm not saying he was the best of all time or even top 10, but him not being in the HOF is a minor travesty.

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the nfl hall of fame is for those in the top ten, not top 20 or 40 or whatever monk is.

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the nfl hall of fame is for those in the top ten, not top 20 or 40 or whatever monk is.

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

Dan hampton is top ten?

I do think the HOF is watered down though.

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I'm a bears fan and thought hampton was a stretch

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

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he's closer to the top in a tougher position than Monk is to the top WRs

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Warren Moon is top Ten?

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Seasons among the league's top 10
Pass attempts: 1984-9, 1986-6, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-3, 1994-3, 1995-2, 1997-2
Completions: 1984-10t, 1989-8t, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-4, 1994-3, 1995-1, 1997-3
Passing yards: 1984-10, 1986-7, 1987-7, 1989-5, 1990-1, 1991-1, 1993-3, 1994-3, 1995-3, 1997-5
Passing TDs: 1987-7, 1989-7, 1990-1, 1991-5, 1992-8t, 1993-4, 1994-9, 1995-2, 1997-5
Adjusted yards per pass: 1988-3, 1989-5, 1990-4


Among the league's all-time top 50
Pass attempts: 4
Completions: 4
Passing yards: 4
Passing TDs: 5

Also, 9 pro bowls.

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Sure, he only had 3 pro bowls

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That is pretty significant.

Personally, I'm fine if he gets in. But I do think there's a good case against him.

Also, I don't think the standard for the HoF should be "anyone better than the worst guy presently enshrined." Just because there are some guys there who shouldn't be doesn't mean we have to add more.