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That's exactly who I would have chosen. Is this official? Link?

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Turn on ESPN now

EDIT: http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster there you are.

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AFC RB's: Tomlinson, Johnson, Parker(boo), Lorenzo Neal(FB)
AFC OL- Anderson(T), Ogden(T), Glenn(T), Faneca(G), Shields(G), Waters(G), Saturday(C), Hardwick(C)

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I don't see a link yet, I'm just updating as I watch. Once I get a link I'll do it. It was released to the media earlier today as Jaguars.com said that Mathis was the only Jag to make it.

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)
NFC OL: Walter Jones(T), Jammal Brown(T), Chris Samuels(T), Larry Allen(G), Shawn Andrews(G), Steve Hutch(G), Matt Birk(C), Olin Kreutz(C)

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Thanks Cody =)

AFC list looks pretty good to me. Good to see Saturday and Mathis on there. Jones-Drew is having an amazing year (5.7ypc!) but doesn't have enough carries, in my opinion, to be on there over Parker.

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)

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Westbrook got [censored].

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I think Fred Taylor should have gotten the sympathy vote, oh well. I think Henderson being snuffed is terrible. I can't understand how he did not make the pro bowl.

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Whats wrong with the Willie P pick?

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Thanks Richard.

AFC list looks pretty good to me. Good to see Saturday and Mathis on there. Jones-Drew is having an amazing year (5.7ypc!) but doesn't have enough carries, in my opinion, to be on there over Parker.

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Oh call me Cody.

And yeah MJD can look forward to a few pro bowls, but not this year. Westbrook seems to have been the victim of the oppisite of Romo's spot, too many good RBs in the NFC to avoid shafting someone.

Cody

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Why are there only 42 players on the rosters? Shouldn't there be 53?

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I think Henderson being snuffed is terrible. I can't understand how he did not make the pro bowl.

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There are so many good DTs in the AFC. That rookie on Baltimore (Hagolti Nata or whatever) is having a great rookie year too from what I've read.

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Full NFC List: http://nfl.com/probowl/nfc_roster
Full AFC List: http://nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)

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Westbrook got [censored].

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Who do you drop?

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Marvin and Reggie are pretty obvious choices, as is Chad, but would anyone have objected to Housh going to. Hell they could save on air fare by only having tickets from Indy and Cincy.

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I would object. But I wouldn't make a huge stink about it. If you take Housh then how do you leave off: Andre Johnson, Coles, Walker, Evans? All 4 of those guys are just as deserving as Housh if not *slightly* more deserving.

Edit: After looking at more stats I think I might actually have Housh higher than Coles, Walker and Johnson. Evans has had a very good year though. So I still have a hard time taking Housh over Evans.

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Gore, because he's not as big of a reciving threat. All 4 of those guys are awesome, but I'm taking Westbrook first.

Combined DPAR (rushing + recieving)

Westbrook: 44.9
Jackson: 38.0
Barber: 34.9
Gore: 28.5

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I think Henderson being snuffed is terrible. I can't understand how he did not make the pro bowl.

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There are so many good DTs in the AFC. That rookie on Baltimore (Hagolti Nata or whatever) is having a great rookie year too from what I've read.

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I agree that there are so many good DT's but Henderson is the best. That might be bias but at least it is arguable. Don't forget for 5 games they double and triple teamed him due to Stroud being hurt. He was still and is still capable of allowing any LB behind him to get 175+ tackles in a season. When teams don't run up the middle even when Rob Meir is in the game, that says something of how good you are.

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)

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Westbrook got [censored].

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Who do you drop?

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Any of them, but start with Gore. Westbrook was the best HB in the NFC this year.

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Gore, because he's not as big of a reciving threat. All 4 of those guys are awesome, but I'm taking Westbrook first.



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No f'n way, that would've been a travesty.

Only one complaint I can see right away, I would have taken TO or Colston over Boldin. Everything else looks okay.

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)

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Westbrook got [censored].

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Any of them, but start with Gore. Westbrook was the best HB in the NFC this year.

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For some reason, leaving the leading rusher out of the pro bowl seems like a mistake to me.

/edit Anyone think DeMeco Ryans should have made it?

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TO was third in fan balloting. They said on that Sportscenter show that it shows that the coaches and players did not vote for him.

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If you take Housh then how do you leave off: Andre Johnson, Coles, Walker, Evans? All 4 of those guys are just as deserving as Housh if not *slightly* more deserving.

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Andre Johnson wasn't that great this year. He was 1095 yards, but he was targetted 152 times--7.2 Yards/Target.

Lee Evans 9.1: I think he should have been AFC WR4)
Walker 9.0

Before monday, Housh gained 8.8 yards/target, but he caught 72% of his targets, which is an exceptional rate. OTOH, he had the 3rd best QB in football, whereas Evans had an average QB.

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NFC RB's: Tiki Barber, Gore, Steven Jackson, Mack Strong(FB)

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Westbrook got [censored].

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Any of them, but start with Gore. Westbrook was the best HB in the NFC this year.

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You guys are crazy. If you want to drop someone, Tiki is the only option. Compared to all those discussed, Gore has the weakest surrounding cast by far and is still leading the NFC in rushing. He also has close to same rec yards as Tiki on fewer receptions, plus more TDs. He is option 1 and 2 on the team and is still dominating week in, week out.

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Gore, because he's not as big of a reciving threat. All 4 of those guys are awesome, but I'm taking Westbrook first.



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No f'n way, that would've been a travesty.

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Um... why? I'd love to see proof that Gore>Westbrook.

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Gore has 7 fumbles.

Westbrook 2, Barber 3, Jackson 3.

Gore is also the least valuable receiver:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Receiver Targets Yds/Att
RB-S.Jackson 104 6.64
RB-B.Westbrook102 6.37
RB-RB-F.Gore 77 5.74
RB-T.Barber 72 6.33</pre><hr />

Source: http://www.solecismic.com/targetdata.php

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QB's: NFC- Bulger, Brees, Romo
AFC- Manning, Palmer, Rivers

Rivers/Romo both being selected. I think thats somewhat suprising but the QB pool is slim this year.

Edit:AFC: WR: Wayne, C Johnson, Harrison, A Johnson.
OT: Willie Anderson, Tarik Glenn, Jonathan Ogden
OG: Alen Faneca, Will Shields, Brian Waters
C: Nick Hardwick, Jeff Saturday
TE: Antonia Gates, Tony Gonzalez
RB: Tomlinson, Larry Johnson, Willie Parker
FB: Lorenzo Neal
DE: Derrick Burgess, Aaron Schobel, Jason Taylor
IL: Casey Hampton, Richard Seymour, Jamal Williams
OLB: Shawne Merriman, Terrel Suggs, Adalius Thomas
ILB: Zach Thomas, Al Wilson
CB: Champ Bailey, Rashean Mathis, Chris McAlister
FS: John Lynch, Ed Reed
SS: Troy Polomalu
K: Nate Kaeding
P: Brian Moorman
KR: Justing Miller
Special Team Player: Kassim Osgood

NFC: WR: Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Tory Holt, Steve Smith
OT: Jamaal Brown, Walter Jones, Chris Samuels
OG: Shawn Andrews, Steve Hutch
C: Matt Birk, Olin Kreutz
TE: Alge Crumpler, Jeremy Shockey
RB: Tiki, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson
FB: Mack Strong
DE: Aaron Kampman, Julius Peppers, Will Smith
IL: Tommie Harris, Kris Jenkins, Kevin Williams
OLB: Lance Briggs, Julian Peterson, Demarcus Ware
ILB: Lofa Tatupu, Brian Urlacher
CB: DeAngelo Hall, Ronde Barber, Lito Shepphard
SS: Adrian Williams, Roy Williams
FS: Brian Dawkins
K: Robbie Gould
P: Mat McBriar
KR: Devin Hester
Special Team Player: Brendon Ayanbadejo

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Mack Strong?

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Gore is also the most valuable rusher in the NFL per your link (even better than LT):

RB-L.Tomlinson (SDO) 1626 5.19
RB-L.Johnson (KCY) 1518 4.30
RB-F.Gore (SFO) 1515 5.59
RB-T.Barber (NYG) 1440 4.83
RB-W.Parker (PIT) 1330 4.62
RB-S.Jackson (STL) 1225 4.25
RB-F.Taylor (JAX) 1189 5.19
RB-C.Taylor (MIN) 1171 4.12
RB-R.Johnson (CIN) 1150 3.81
RB-T.Jones (CHI) 1136 4.01
RB-B.Westbrook (PHI) 1102 5.17


Also, as for % of total offenses yards:

Gore 48%
Westbrook 33.2%

As I stated, Gore has the worst surrounding cast and is performing on par or better than all other RBs.

I agree Westbrook should have made it, but over Tiki not Gore.

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Bulllllllllllllllllllllllllllll [censored].

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Schobel finally getting some love - about time.

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Not thrilled with the Al Wilson. Hes one of my favorite LBs, but I would have given that spot to Ryans.

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Whoever said the Bill's punter in the Week 13 awards thread was spot on. He is the starting punter for the AFC team.

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If you take Housh then how do you leave off: Andre Johnson, Coles, Walker, Evans? All 4 of those guys are just as deserving as Housh if not *slightly* more deserving.

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Andre Johnson wasn't that great this year. He was 1095 yards, but he was targetted 152 times--7.2 Yards/Target.

Lee Evans 9.1: I think he should have been AFC WR4)
Walker 9.0

Before monday, Housh gained 8.8 yards/target, but he caught 72% of his targets, which is an exceptional rate. OTOH, he had the 3rd best QB in football, whereas Evans had an average QB.

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Evans wuz robbed!

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Whoever said the Bill's punter in the Week 13 awards thread was spot on. He is the starting punter for the AFC team.

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He definitely deserves it. I still think Scifres and possibly Lechler are better overall punters though. Did anyone see Scifres dropping punts that die right on the 5 yard line again Sunday? He might be the most accurate punter I've ever personally seen. And when he needs to boot it, which is rare because their offense is awesome, he can.

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NFC RB's:/edit Anyone think DeMeco Ryans should have made it?

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The Official Snub of this years pro bowl!!!

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Gore is also the most valuable rusher in the NFL per your link (even better than LT)

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Uh, what? Where does it say that?

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Tiki shouldn't have made it first over the other three. He only got in b/c he won the fan vote.

Gore is leading all of the top 10 RBs in YPC with a QB that noone would argue is that great.

Tiki:

1357 Yards, 4.7 YPC, 288 Carries, 2 TDs.
429 Yards Rec, 0 Tds, 52 reps

Gore:

1491 Yards, 5.5 YPC, 6 Tds (6 fumbles)
418 Yards, 1 Td, 53 reps

Gore has more TDs, more yards on less touches. He does have more fumbles but only 2 after the first 4 weeks.

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The Official Snub of this years pro bowl!!!

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I don't this one is close to be honest.