50/100 double gutter
 

villain is noataima, he's pretty donkish and I've never seen him make this tiny reraise before....I think he views me as a good LAG, but again he's donkish and even with the scary board he could become attached to a good overpair....what's your preferred line here?

p.s. note stack sizes

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $50/$100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $37274.50
UTG+1: $6300
Hero: $25758.50
Button: $15860
SB: $8417.50
BB: $11147

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $350</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $800</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1750, 2 players)

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

check/call?

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

I'd c/c.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

i'm gonna be the first and hopefully not the last to say this but i think it is very strong and perhaps better to lead here than check call. maybe even check raise but i'm not too sure of that because it will likely commit us.

if you c-c i hope you fire a lot of turns or rivers to give yourself a chance to bluff at this pot because you will let him check down an unimproved ace, king, or queen high if the next streets blank

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

edit: reread, nm.

i agree w/ the ck/call.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

I'd lead.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

so i think weve established that the tags like cc and the insane types like leading? nice

is noataima high enough a level thinker to put people on hands? do you have to worry about balancing your play versus him? if so i like leading more because i highly doubt u are checkcalling with a set/twopair here but correct me if im wrong.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

with these stacks i'd check call.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

Is this a standard call pre, out of position? What if it's a good player - say, it's you? What if it's potted to 1200?

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Here is a hand where I tried to semibluff him.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $50/$100
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1647
UTG+1: $2794
CO: $4544
Button: $26229
SB: $23384
cts: $16829

Pre-flop: (6 players) cts is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, cts checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($300, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">cts bets $300</font>, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($900, 2 players)
cts checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $900</font>, <font color="#cc0000">cts raises all-in $16429</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $3244</font>.
Uncalled bets: $12285 returned to cts.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($9188, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $9188)


Results:
Final pot: $9188
<font color="#000000">CO showed Ac Kh</font>
<font color="#000000">cts showed 6h Qh</font>

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

ship da cheddah

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

What's up with his small preflop 3bet? I know you've said you've never seen him make it, but it seems kind of strange and I'm not sure if he's doing it to entice a big fourbet from you or with some hand that just thinks you're stealing. Also, while I love double gutters as they're often well concealed, this one isn't, since if you turn a 6, I can't see him paying off that much.

Given stack sizes, I still like a check to see if he'll lead weak or strong. You could call a pot sized flop bet and possibly a decent sized turn bet as well if you think he's paying you off, but I think the only cards you'll want are a ten unless you plan on bluffing a set, in which case a turn checkraise or something could be kind of sweet.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

Wow, he can see into souls, just c/fold this flop.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

Check-call flop, check-raise any turn especially if it's an A or a K.

Kirk

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

wow this hand is so sick cts hah

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

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I'd lead.

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with intentions of?

this guy is pretty aggro from that hand cts posted..

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

It's not that he's aggro it's just that he is incapable of folding ace high or better. I would check the flop, probably call his inevitable pot bet (very good implied odds against this guy), then check/fold the turn if I miss.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

Just Curious...lets say you hit your str8 on the turn. Whats the best line to extract value?..

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

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It's not that he's aggro it's just that he is incapable of folding ace high or better. I would check the flop, probably call his inevitable pot bet (very good implied odds against this guy), then check/fold the turn if I miss.

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i like.

pretty tough to miss a turn that doesnt improve.. plus your flop call might possibly buy a free showdown.. pretty sneaky hand

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

he has a very donkish/unique style. mini raising all sorts of hands preflop and post. i like a c/c because he will not fold if u 3 bet all in. if we hit on turn we lead of course

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I'd lead.

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with intentions of?

this guy is pretty aggro from that hand cts posted..

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well i didn't see cts' hand when i posted. obviously if this guy's married to ace high it's not a good spot to set up a 3-bet or a couple of barrels.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

Since we know that V is very aggressive and fully capable of strong calls as well as going over the top of you, I'd suggest a rather passive approach.
Also, because the stacks are pretty deep and we dont want to make a decision for all our chips right here.

Like I said... If we bet right into him, there's a major possibility that he'll run over us, and even if he doesn't, I think he'll rather fold than just call.
So, with that in mind, I dont like neither bet-call nor bet-3bet; bc seems pretty weak, and'll probably be overrun on the turn, whereas bet-3bet is very risky. If he pushes we'll either be commited or have to fold; if he cold-calls, we have no idea where we stand, and we will be forced to act first on the turn; and if he folds, yay, we won a small pot.

Which leads us to our check options...
If he checks behind, take a shot at the turn and then re-assess from there. If he bets, however, we can either raise, and force him to make a decision for a large amount of chips on a dangerous board - the downside with this is that the turnwill be very hard to play as first to act; or we can just call, and then try to make a move at the pot at the turn.

I prefer the check-call alternative. With this play we can lay down on a bad turn, bluff on scare-cards such as A, K or any card that pairs the board, and also there's the possibility of making our hand.
Although, as someone said, if we do hit the low-end, I dont think we'll be paid off that generously.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

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It's not that he's aggro it's just that he is incapable of folding ace high or better. I would check the flop, probably call his inevitable pot bet (very good implied odds against this guy), then check/fold the turn if I miss.

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Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

FTR, noataima is some rich Canadian entepreneur. He's absolutely terrible, and seems to call on flop/turn with virtually anything (draw, overcards included) no matter what line you take. He will call with any pair on the flop and turn in hopes of improving, hence he's a pain in the ass if you can't hit a hand(he always bets, when checked to). The only time he ever folds is in on the river.

Against him just jam the pot on flop and turn with big hands...only bluff the river.

edit-man, when did he start playing 50/100???? Wow, I need to put more money on FTP. I've witnessed him drop 10+ buyins on 1 table before. He says he plays to "relax."

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

cc. without folding equity, why semibluff? you're just getting your money in bad

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cc. without folding equity, why semibluff? you're just getting your money in bad

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Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

just check call.

Re: 50/100 double gutter
 

check call for sure. this dude does not fold lolll and by his smallish reraise preflop he probably has AA. one of those donk minreraise monster type deals. if u hit on the turn he 100% stacks off. dude that guy is so bad, results?