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Kyriefurro 02-04-2006 01:38 PM

Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Villain is a complete unknown. Haven't even played a full orbit against him.

0.50/1.00 NLHE 6-max, 6 players

Stacks:
Hero - $101.75
MP - $81.40

Hero is CO w/ K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop: UTG calls, MP calls, Hero <font color="red">raises to $6</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls

($14.50) Flop <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG bets $75.40 (all-in), Hero..........?

Obviously, he has a Q or 55. If he has a Q, I'm probably ahead since AQ would probably have raised pre-flop. If he has a 5, I'm drawing to 4 immediate outs plus 3 additional outs on thr river for the chance that the turn card will pair.

Ugh! What to do, what to do?

Kameleon 02-04-2006 01:49 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Odds of him having 55 is too small to fold. His Q having a higher kicker than your is out of the question. Call the push.

eviljeff 02-04-2006 01:58 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
don't discount the flush draw possibility entirely. looks like a call.

sudic 02-04-2006 02:18 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Would he call a $6 raise pre-flop UTG with 55?

Kyriefurro 02-04-2006 02:26 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
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Would he call a $6 raise pre-flop UTG with 55?

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Easy call. A set of 5's is almost impossible to see on most boards, and the odds of taking your opponents stack is very high.

Bukem_ 02-04-2006 02:44 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
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Obviously, he has a Q or 55.

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Way way way way too small a range.

Garon 02-04-2006 03:33 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 

Hi Kyrie,

I call here. I think he would have PFR with AQ. I'm thinking he may have 55, but he may also have AA or KK and slowplayed PF. You might even see nut flush draw or A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Lesser odds you see 10-10 or JJ. All in all I think you have enough equity to call this.

Garon

Dan Bitel 02-04-2006 04:45 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
easy call IMO

Bigmoney 02-04-2006 04:50 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Call as fast as you can

Kyriefurro 02-04-2006 05:04 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
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Obviously, he has a Q or 55.

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Way way way way too small a range.

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A good TAG might be doing this with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], but good TAG's are few and far between. So what other hands is a nomral villain going to open push on a flop like this with. Barring some previous play that tells me villain is a non-thinking LAG, a board like this is just way too scary for a typical player to be willing to risk all his chips with unless he has a piece of it. And since there are really only two pieces for villain to have.......

kolotoure 02-04-2006 05:12 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
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Would he call a $6 raise pre-flop UTG with 55?

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I call 6 to win 80 all day long

vulturesrow 02-04-2006 05:22 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Am I the only one who thinks 55 is one of villains least likely hands? I call this so fast that I put a hole through the mouse clicking call [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I keed I keed. It is a tough decision, but I think you are comfortably ahead of his range here.

Sidekick 02-04-2006 05:34 PM

Re: Flopped trips good kicker and Unknown pushes
 
Easy call for me.

The times you see 55 or AQ here are easily behind the times you see A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], AA, KK, JJ and even TT. I personally would expect to see villain flip over QJ or QT as the most likely holdings given how the hand has played. It is also of course possible that you are splitting this pot.

Kyriefurro 02-04-2006 05:40 PM

Results
 
Well, it's nice to know that everyone agreed to call, since that's what I did.

Villain turned over 55.

It reminds me of a comment TWP made a while ago that he like open-pushing with a hand like this since he was almost guaranteed to stack anyone with a Q.

On the plus side, my sucking-out skills continue to improve. The turn brought the K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and I scooped the pot [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


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