400NL: AA, very passive
 

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Hero ($452)
CO ($353.89)
Button ($400)
SB ($623.61)
BB ($483.40)
UTG ($319.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $14, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($48) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($48) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $72</font>, Hero folds

Re: 400NL: AA, very passive
 

yup i like

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I think you gotta bet the flop, give yourself some chance at winning the pot... you do have aces!

As played, fine turn fold.

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I think you gotta bet the flop, give yourself some chance at winning the pot... you do have aces!

As played, fine turn fold.

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say what?

Re: 400NL: AA, very passive
 

bet flop pls

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I think you gotta bet the flop, give yourself some chance at winning the pot... you do have aces!

As played, fine turn fold.

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say what?

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i said play the hand differently by betting the flop.

as he played it, his fold is fine

Re: 400NL: AA, very passive
 

I dont think this is bad at all. Ofc I would sometimes bet the flop but it puts us in a pretty awkward spot if we get raised on the flop. How are you going to respond to a c/r?

Re: 400NL: AA, very passive
 

Bet the flop

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I like to bet the flop for 30-35. As played a fold seems okay. I think there is a fairly good chance you are ahead, but facing a big river bet costs too much.

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bet flop pls

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Bet the flop

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I like to bet the flop for 30-35.

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...the writing's on the wall.

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bet flop pls

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Bet the flop

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I like to bet the flop for 30-35.

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...the writing's on the wall.

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I actually don't think checking the flop is bad though. It keeps the pot small against somebody looking to value bet a queen. As far as the results go here, it appears he saved some chips. My point is playing for pot control is a viable option.

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I would not bet the flop.

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Edit, nevermind I'm dumb.

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I would not bet the flop.

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Care to elaborate? I would think this is a pretty ez bet

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I would not bet the flop.

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Care to elaborate? I would think this is a pretty ez bet

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I do it to control pot size/ induce a bluff/ under rep your hand and get paid off on later streets.

But by checking the flop and just relaxing on the hand, don't get married to it later.

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by not betting the flop, you don't know if BB is doing this with a J or just a naked queen. In fact judging by the fact you posted this I'm assuming BB won with a naked Q and you're wondering why the eff you didn't just bet. Also if you're gonna make this flop play you should probably call the turn.

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by not betting the flop, you don't know if BB is doing this with a J or just a naked queen. In fact judging by the fact you posted this I'm assuming BB won with a naked Q and you're wondering why the eff you didn't just bet. Also if you're gonna make this flop play you should probably call the turn.

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What he said

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by not betting the flop, you don't know if BB is doing this with a J or just a naked queen. In fact judging by the fact you posted this I'm assuming BB won with a naked Q and you're wondering why the eff you didn't just bet. Also if you're gonna make this flop play you should probably call the turn.

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How can he win with a naked Q when we have AA and he'd be drawing to two outs?

Re: 400NL: AA, very passive
 

Good fold. Although I always bet flop.

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bet flop pls

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Bet the flop

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I like to bet the flop for 30-35.

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...the writing's on the wall.

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I actually don't think checking the flop is bad though. It keeps the pot small against somebody looking to value bet a queen. As far as the results go here, it appears he saved some chips. My point is playing for pot control is a viable option.

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SOOOOOOO Many draws. Bet flop. No point luring in that Queen if you fold to a bet anyway.

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i like this check far better in a heads up pot

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I would not bet the flop.

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Care to elaborate? I would think this is a pretty ez bet

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I do it to control pot size/ induce a bluff/ under rep your hand and get paid off on later streets.

But by checking the flop and just relaxing on the hand, don't get married to it later.

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You don't have to under-rep your hand; you are c'betting on a scary board. They can easily perceive it as nothing. Of course I don't mind checking it here, but I'm just thinking that a Q is going to call your c'bet, you both check the turn, he will either bet the river or check/call it. I'm not sure how much it matters, but I'd not want a bad hand to backdoor a weird better hand on me via getting the flop checked through, him semi-bluffing the turn, and him value betting the river.

Bet the flop, check the turn, call the river.

As played, you got lucky that they ID'ed their hands.

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by not betting the flop, you don't know if BB is doing this with a J or just a naked queen. In fact judging by the fact you posted this I'm assuming BB won with a naked Q and you're wondering why the eff you didn't just bet. Also if you're gonna make this flop play you should probably call the turn.

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IMO no one raises this turn without at least a J with a strangely passive preflop raiser still to act. I shouldn't have included turn action since it's sort of like posting results. The interesting part is the flop.

I understand the problems, but I like the flop check partly because peeling off a safe turn makes it easier to distinguish between a J playing tricky and a draw. The downside of course is that if a scary turn falls, I have to let it go relatively easily.