Liberals are CHEAP!
 

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

Cliffs notes: conservatives give more money to charity than liberals

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Not the rich ones. They're cheap too.

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

Cliffs notes: conservatives give more money to charity than liberals

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We need more cheap politicians! Elect cheap Liberals and throw out the free spending Republicans.

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I'm not surprised by this at all. Man I hate liberals.

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Do they count church contributions as charity?

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It was touched on briefly in the article, but as a fiscal conservative, I feel that it's not the government's job to be taking care of the poor. I feel it's the job of the communities. Therefore, I give more to charity.

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Is this news... their "test" to see who is cheaper is ridiculous. In the same vein they should see who is "cheaper": The white Jew or the black baptist. We will set up a salavtion army bucket at a bank in New York and one at a Waffle House in Dallas.

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Facts can be so inconvenient at times.

There is a reasonably scientific report (or book) on this that came out last month that has spurred these copy-cat stunts. Shockingly, it got next to no notice in the MSM but was everywhere on talk radio. My memory is that low income conservatives were way out in front as % of income givers. Red states were way out in front of blue. Not a surprise.

The reasoning that strikes me as likely true is that libs assume their good votes for huge government and the nanny state provide for the people in need and additional personal charity is not needed.

Secular conservatives are CHEAP
 

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They sure can. Just like these ones. Link.

"Most of the difference in giving among conservatives and liberals gets back to religion. Religious liberals give nearly as much as religious conservatives, Mr. Brooks found. And secular conservatives are even less generous than secular liberals."

I love it when conservatives mischaracterize an issue that isn't even partisan, just to try to slam the media. This is about religion, not politics.

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There are a hell of a lot more religious conservatives than religious liberals, I'd bet.

(Most liberals' religion IS liberalism. The state replaces God.)

So it's fair to say conservatives give more than liberals, no?

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Do they include religious orginizations in the "charity" category-- ie churches, synagouges, the televangilists?

If so, then it would make sense that the religious give more to "charity" than the nonreligious too.


Since liberalism is liberals' religion, do they include campaign contributions? (Conservatives would win here too)

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The reasoning that strikes me as likely true is that libs assume their good votes for huge government and the nanny state provide for the people in need and additional personal charity is not needed.


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This classification of liberals is so cliche-- we need to get a new one.

The government over the last 6 years seems bigger than it ever has been in my short life.

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They sure can. Just like these ones. Link.

"Most of the difference in giving among conservatives and liberals gets back to religion. Religious liberals give nearly as much as religious conservatives, Mr. Brooks found. And secular conservatives are even less generous than secular liberals."

I love it when conservatives mischaracterize an issue that isn't even partisan, just to try to slam the media. This is about religion, not politics.

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The MSM deserves every slam I can administer.

Your zeal to support your side has led you to edit out 95% of the meat of that article, most of which support my points. YOU have a future in the MSM.

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Confuse correlation and causation much, Rush?

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And please, feel free to demonstrate the evidence that a secular conservative gives significantly more than a secular liberal. Or that a religious conservative gives significantly more than a religious liberal.

I can claim: "Blond people make more money!", which is an equally misleading statement. Being blond isn't what increases income, being white and coming from a higher class is. Correlation /= causation. You are being ridiculous.

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Sorry about that. I was able to help elect many Republicans but no conservatives. I'm unsure how to change this.

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So it's fair to say conservatives give more than liberals, no?

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It's misleading, though, to claim that conservativism makes one more likely to give.

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Sorry about that. I was able to help elect many Republicans but no conservatives. I'm unsure how to change this.

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Start by not electing Republicans.

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Seriously, where the hell do you people get this stuff? It's hilarious on it's face but I'm curious as to how some of you guys write some of this stuff with a straight face.

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"You people" lol. Got me sized up, uh?

I'm a libertarian agnostic, does that change things for you?

In general, liberals look to the state to solve problems. Conservatives, most of whom are religious, look to God for answers.

You see no correlation between the secularization of Europe and the massive, core belief of most of its populace that the government will take care of everything? Did people feel that way when religion was predominant?

I think there's a connection there (obviously not true in every case).

People have an innate need to look for answers to life and society's problems. When religion goes, something is going to replace it.

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From your article:


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Is this news... their "test" to see who is cheaper is ridiculous. In the same vein they should see who is "cheaper": The white Jew or the black baptist. We will set up a salavtion army bucket at a bank in New York and one at a Waffle House in Atlanta .

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FYP

"...you go past that second Waffle House, thas where them REAL niggas at, them REAL niggas..." -Ludacris-

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Is this news... their "test" to see who is cheaper is ridiculous. In the same vein they should see who is "cheaper": The white Jew or the black baptist. We will set up a salavtion army bucket at a bank in New York and one at a Waffle House in Atlanta .

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FYP

"...you go past that second Waffle House, thas where them REAL niggas at, them REAL niggas..." -Ludacris-

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just ask John "Waffle House" Kerry

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Do they include religious orginizations in the "charity" category-- ie churches, synagouges, the televangilists?

If so, then it would make sense that the religious give more to "charity" than the nonreligious too.


Since liberalism is liberals' religion, do they include campaign contributions? (Conservatives would win here too)

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The reasoning that strikes me as likely true is that libs assume their good votes for huge government and the nanny state provide for the people in need and additional personal charity is not needed.


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The author was interviewed on Michael Medved's radio show a few weeks back. The author was asked all of these obvious types of questions about the data. He basically said that controlling for all of the variables like religion, income, etc. conservatives give more. Including giving more money to non-church charities and also volunteering more time in the community as well, this included things like PTA etc.

He also gave a pretty good reason why donations to churches shouldn't be so easily dismissed as worthless, but I don't remember what he said. The author came across as genuine and intelligent. I don't have much interest in this so I doubt I'll read the book.

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More money or more percentage of their income?

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Sorry about that. I was able to help elect many Republicans but no conservatives. I'm unsure how to change this.

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Vote Libertarian. Or vote Constitution if you really want conservatives. :P

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Sorry about that. I was able to help elect many Republicans but no conservatives.

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How exactly did you help elect many republicans?

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I suppose the best thing I can say for liberals is this:

Conservatives have a tendency to believe that private charity should do much of the work that liberals believe should be funded via the gov't.

Now, fairness and reciprocity are a big part of the reason why liberals believe the government should pay for this.

Fairness: many reason that it is unfair to an extent for individual wealthy people to provide something to the poor when other, similarly situated wealthy people are not. Hence, it is ethically better for these things to be paid for by the government than for them to be paid for by some individuals.

Reciprocity: Many people think that if they are going to pay for social causes while they are well off, it should be guranteed that should they ever become "down on their luck" that they as well will be helped out by others.

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Why is this so hard for some people? Conservatism or liberalism does not have a large statistical affect on charitable giving. Religion does. Religious people vote more conservive, so it APPEARS like conervatives donate more based on ideology. That is a correlation, not a causation. The causation is religion, NOT conservatism. The relvent question is "why do religious people donate more", not "why do conservatives donate more." The answer to that last question is because they are more religious! Can someone teach a statistics 101 course for the right-wingers?

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More money or more percentage of their income?

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Higher percentage, thats what I meant when I said he controlled for income.

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Why is this so hard for some people? Conservatism or liberalism does not have a large statistical affect on charitable giving. Religion does. Religious people vote more conservive, so it APPEARS like conervatives donate more based on ideology. That is a correlation, not a causation. The causation is religion, NOT conservatism. The relvent question is "why do religious people donate more", not "why do conservatives donate more." The answer to that last question is because they are more religious! Can someone teach a statistics 101 course for the right-wingers?

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Quit trying to obfuscate the issue and just admit you're cheap. You're probably a lousy tipper too, huh?

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You're impossible. At least Copernicus is logical.

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Without question liberals are better at "giving" away other people's money.

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No doubt. Bush is thrifty as hell.

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Looks to me like more proof that Ohio was rigged in 2004 to me.

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Without question liberals are better at "giving" away other people's money.

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No doubt. Bush is thrifty as hell.

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Yeah, he's a real penny pincher

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Sorry about that. I was able to help elect many Republicans but no conservatives. I'm unsure how to change this.

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Vote Libertarian. Or vote Constitution if you really want conservatives. :P

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...or don't vote. Same difference.

No, I'll continue to vote for the only viable non-Democrat alternative.

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No doubt. Bush is thrifty as hell.

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Yeah, I think he has a book of checks that say "President" on top and he can write them for whatever.

World: WTF 9/11?
Liberal: "Bush"

Nature: Katrina
Liberal: "Bush"

America: WTF gas prices?
Liberal: "Bush"

Liberal: "Iraq has WMDs"
Bush: "I know, I think I'll do something about it."
Liberal: "Bush lied"

Nature: Global warming?
Nature: uh..."The Sun"....http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA203.html
Liberal: No..."Bush"

Anyone: My baby's sick, I'm constipated, my wife cheated...
Liberal: "Bush"

America: Strong economy
Liberal:...(crickets chirping)...

UN: Oil for food/ sexual harassment
Liberal:...(crickets chirping)...