2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

Errr... I was kinda stuck on this one. The almost min raise threw me way off as well.

What's my line. I don't think Villain will stack off with 59, but might with A5.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $2145.50
Button: $2008
SB: $1644.50
Hero: $3283.10

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($40, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($40, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $100</font>

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

With position...I just call his mini raise. If the river brings a low, I would check call his bet. If not, you have a tough decision to push or play it safe.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

I think that you have to re-pot. A diamond flush pays you here, but you are likely splitting the pot. I don't want to wait for the river to see a low. I want to put the villian to the test right now and gamble for the low to hit.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

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I think that you have to re-pot. A diamond flush pays you here, but you are likely splitting the pot. I don't want to wait for the river to see a low. I want to put the villian to the test right now and gamble for the low to hit.

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Um. What?

I'd probably reraise here pot. If he slows down then your hand is probably the better boat/ only boat. Might not stack off with 95 but I think that A5 is more likely most of the time. Honestly, it doesn't look to me like this guy has a boat yet. That having been said, Im still not willing to felt with this hand on the turn.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

Oh wait, I misread the action. Still reraise and I AM willing to go to the felt with this hand on the turn and almost any river after you're reraise.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

I bet he has ace five here on the turn. Stack him.

Edit: I have never played limits this high...so it's possible that he could be trying to trap you with aces, but I doubt it. He could have a checked flop fearing the flush, but again I doubt it, since it's four-handed.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

this hand looks like he either has any 5, or could very well be trying to take the pot away from you, figuring you dont have a hand. i really think he's just making a play here, and i dont think he'll call a huge re-raise with anything but A5.

i would call his raise, since he's likely to assign you a low draw/all kinds of hands that you could call with here. if he has A5, i think he'll pot the river, and i think he'll c/c with a lesser FH and probably trips if the low gets there on the river.


if he pots the river, i would re pot it. if he checks the river, i would pot it.


but i think it would be a mistake to raise this turn, b/c too often he is just making a stab at it since you dont seem to be strong at all.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

If you don't re-raise on the turn, how will you trap him? In addition, if he has a viable low draw, he will call the river and you will split. If the low does not hit on the river, he escapes. Plus, there is a remote chance that he has a pair that will hit a larger boat on the river and I would not want to give him a free card. I discount quad 5's, but it is possible.

I don't play this limit. From what I have watched, the play is hyper aggressive and many hands end up all in. If you disagree with my comments, please let me know why. Thanks.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

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I would not want to give him a free card

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not to nitpick but he charged himself $100 to see the river. there are no free cards here.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

I'm sorry, but anything other than re-raising the max seems retarded, unless there is some real reason to believe that this SB, who did not raise pre-flop and can have any 4, and who did not throw out a bet when an ace hit on a 3-diamond flop, has AAxx, or unless there's something I'm missing in the post. There is no reason to give this guy a chance to draw to a low for no add'l $ above his raise. How awesome will you feel when he calls your pot bet on a low river card and turns over 5-6-7-8, or 2-4-J-J, and you split -- when he might have folded to your re-raise.

If he's "taking a stab at it", why not take his money now with a re-raise? Why give him the chance to see another card for no additional price, and give him a chance to draw to a marginal low? Or maybe hit a better full house? What am I missing?

It depends
 

It completely depends on the Villain. If the Villain is:

Vladimir: Easy raise. That call station will hand you money with whatever he raised with.

Davebreal: Easy raise. Just type, "I've got 99xx for trips", and he'll be typing
"its a set, goddammit" as he times out with his quad 5's.

Niss: Easy fold. That tight ass has AA for sure and is too weak tight to raise preflop.

Mendacious. Easy raise. He's got quads for sure, but will be worried about you making a straight flush on river so will fold.

Gameover: Easy call. That blufftard can have any 4 cards and will bet for sure on river for easy money.

LaceyDuvall: Easy raise, but type "damn you got a fine ass bitch" and she'll start smiling and time out.

Txredman: Easy minraise. Ever since he went off the 'roids his 'nads are too small to call. Witness his reply in this thread.

neverforget: Easy call. just type "you know this is highstakes $10-20 right?", and he'll go "oh, [censored]", and time out.

buzz: easy minraise. type, "what does Wilson sim say to do here?" and he'll go run it while he times out.

HAbib Marwan": Who the [censored] is Habib Marwan anyway??

Mike Matusow: Easiest raise of all. he'll snort a line and play for stacks with naked 5x.

BadBeatPhil: Easy raise. He'll reraise you all in with quad 2's on a bluff.

Hakallah: Easy fold. That guy is scary good, so whatever you do will be wrong.


Hope that helps.

Re: 2000PL08 - Errr... I have a boat.
 

No one here seems to be worried about quads. Aces full is also a possibility, but much less likely. If you are going to reraise here, what do you do if you are reraised? That being said, smooth calling here seems like giving too much up, given his likely holdings (a smaller boat, a 5 plus a lo draw, a flush plus a lo draw). His reraise feels like a probe to see if you are trying to steal. Once you have decided to reraise, how much to bet? And what to do if reraised? This seems entirely based on the nature of your opponent. You have no info on villian?

Re: It depends
 

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It completely depends on the Villain. If the Villain is:

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How about Game Over 73?

Edit: Sorry just saw him there. Great post BTW.

Re: It depends
 

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It completely depends on the Villain. If the Villain is:

Vladimir: Easy raise. That call station will hand you money with whatever he raised with.

Davebreal: Easy raise. Just type, "I've got 99xx for trips", and he'll be typing
"its a set, goddammit" as he times out with his quad 5's.

Niss: Easy fold. That tight ass has AA for sure and is too weak tight to raise preflop.

Mendacious. Easy raise. He's got quads for sure, but will be worried about you making a straight flush on river so will fold.

Gameover: Easy call. That blufftard can have any 4 cards and will bet for sure on river for easy money.

LaceyDuvall: Easy raise, but type "damn you got a fine ass bitch" and she'll start smiling and time out.

Txredman: Easy minraise. Ever since he went off the 'roids his 'nads are too small to call. Witness his reply in this thread.

neverforget: Easy call. just type "you know this is highstakes $10-20 right?", and he'll go "oh, [censored]", and time out.

buzz: easy minraise. type, "what does Wilson sim say to do here?" and he'll go run it while he times out.

HAbib Marwan": Who the [censored] is Habib Marwan anyway??

Mike Matusow: Easiest raise of all. he'll snort a line and play for stacks with naked 5x.

BadBeatPhil: Easy raise. He'll reraise you all in with quad 2's on a bluff.

Hakallah: Easy fold. That guy is scary good, so whatever you do will be wrong.


Hope that helps.

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LOL. That's awesome. I love the comments about me.

From the post, I assume you're HAKALLAH?

I'm up 2300 on you [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. WHAT IT DO?

Re: It depends
 

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Hakallah: Easy fold. That guy is scary good, so whatever you do will be wrong.

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This is incorrect. For Hak Allah, you tell him that you're a girl, and he'll auto-call with his A234ns while typing "less poker more titties".

Re: It depends
 

After all the debate...why push here? His likely holdings are a smaller boat, a 5 plus a lo draw, a flush plus a lo draw with a very slim chance of quads/AA. Could A234 make this play too? I think that whatever he has out of this, he will probably call the raise and could easily get 1/2 with a slim chance of scooping. I think having position is KEY in this hand, especially if you don't have history on this player. Re-evaluate on the river depending on the card AND his action.

Re: It depends
 

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It completely depends on the Villain. If the Villain is:

Vladimir: Easy raise. That call station will hand you money with whatever he raised with.

Davebreal: Easy raise. Just type, "I've got 99xx for trips", and he'll be typing
"its a set, goddammit" as he times out with his quad 5's.

Niss: Easy fold. That tight ass has AA for sure and is too weak tight to raise preflop.

Mendacious. Easy raise. He's got quads for sure, but will be worried about you making a straight flush on river so will fold.

Gameover: Easy call. That blufftard can have any 4 cards and will bet for sure on river for easy money.

LaceyDuvall: Easy raise, but type "damn you got a fine ass bitch" and she'll start smiling and time out.

Txredman: Easy minraise. Ever since he went off the 'roids his 'nads are too small to call. Witness his reply in this thread.

neverforget: Easy call. just type "you know this is highstakes $10-20 right?", and he'll go "oh, [censored]", and time out.

buzz: easy minraise. type, "what does Wilson sim say to do here?" and he'll go run it while he times out.

HAbib Marwan": Who the [censored] is Habib Marwan anyway??

Mike Matusow: Easiest raise of all. he'll snort a line and play for stacks with naked 5x.

BadBeatPhil: Easy raise. He'll reraise you all in with quad 2's on a bluff.

Hakallah: Easy fold. That guy is scary good, so whatever you do will be wrong.


Hope that helps.

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i'm honored to be included, actually what little i know of 08 i probably learned from you owning me back in the day when you were ardipithecus

Re: It depends
 

Results:

It was an insta raise to $100 and it worried me. I ended up just caling with my position. The river was a 6 and he insta potted. I called and was shown quads.

edit; he had 23 as well i believe.

Re: It depends
 

ugh, that sucks.

Re: It depends
 

sometimes i miss u.

this is not one of them.

if i were villain, i would have AA59, and therefore having you drawing to the fifth nine. wait.......