Min Buyin Hit and Run Players are ruining the game..
 

This is getting absurd, almost 50% of players at the table now are doing this. All these players do is kill action by preventing people from raising preflop, taking money off table instantly when they win, and prevent the recreational player from playing "real" poker. These players have no concern for game preservation and are ruining the game for small short term wins. I have posted a thread in the ZOO calling for "Deep Stack" PLO tables that require the full buyin or close to it. If you agree please post how you feel on this thread. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...e=0#Post8356906

Thanks

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At least 40BB

It's kind of a joke to buy in with 100BB and be the second largest stack at the table.

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Alternatively, you could increase the time delay before you could come back with a minimum stack to a lot more than 30 minutes. Making it several hours would seriously limit their ability to bounce from table to table while still allowing us small timers to take the occasional shot.

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That's great input, could you put that on the thread in the Zoo directed to Pokerstars/Lee

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thanks rolf slotboom!

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I'm gulity of occasionaly doing this depending on the game. However I do not min buy-in just to see if i can get 1 lucky hand to double or triple my money. If however the game is just way to loose and I don't want to lose the money I have just gained then I will leave after a round or so. Part of the problem with it is that ppl just keep raising and hitting in low/micro limit where I play this is the reasoning I use behind doing it.

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I was wondering if you ppl ever actually try to do something to alter your station in life? Or do you just sit around and complain on the internet?

Anyone actually try to ask FT or Stars to have some tables that have unlimited buyins and minimum of 100bb buyins?

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You could try the new fad they call 'adjusting'.

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I was wondering if you ppl ever actually try to do something to alter your station in life? Or do you just sit around and complain on the internet?

Anyone actually try to ask FT or Stars to have some tables that have unlimited buyins and minimum of 100bb buyins?

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Sometimes I cry?

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You could try the new fad they call 'adjusting'.

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You have an answer for everything dont you!

I'd like this to come through but it is very unlikely unfortunately. But no harm in asking I suppose

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You could try the new fad they call 'adjusting'.

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Regardless if you make adjustments, ie raising pf less, etc. that's not gonna change the fact that people at your table don't have enough chips to play past the flop. It changes the game to is my starter ahead of the other players enough to get it all in and not have to play any streets. Also, if there is only 600 in play across the table thats all you can win. Simply adjusting doesnt change the fact that this ruins the game.

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Of course there are players (like me) wo dont have all day to sit in front of a computer (kids). Sorry if I take your money and then my 2 year old wakes up from her nap, causing me to leave the game. Plus I have a short attention span and the longer I play the more I loose...so why shouldn't I leave when up?

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Of course there are players (like me) wo dont have all day to sit in front of a computer (kids). Sorry if I take your money and then my 2 year old wakes up from her nap, causing me to leave the game. Plus I have a short attention span and the longer I play the more I loose...so why shouldn't I leave when up?

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We are not talking so much about people quiting after they win if they are quitting for good. We are talking about people quiting a game when they double or triple up and continuing to play in other games. Then they sit back down in the game a half hour later and rebuy with a short stack.

I don't think anyone would care if one player employed this strategy here and there. But there are many of these players these days and often more than half the table will have less than 50BB's.

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don't you guys like rolf's book? this is exactly what he suggested doing.

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sure. it's a good book. but like he said in his book if one player is doing it, the other players look on the short stack player as a fly in the ointment.

when 1/3 or more of players are doing it, it changes the game

I don't remember in his book if part of his strategy was to double up, then quit the game and come back with the MIN buy in again? That would be a seperate and equally irritating issue. And again, if one player is doing it okay, but when it starts to be the norm...errrrr

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hmm...I've been doing this for years..and now Rolf has to go and spoil things.

Agreed, stop the plebeians doing this and just allow us really annoying chaps to do so instead.

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as long as you're the only one I have no problem at all.

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hmm...I've been doing this for years..and now Rolf has to go and spoil things.

Agreed, stop the plebeians doing this and just allow us really annoying chaps to do so instead.

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don't you guys like rolf's book?

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No, not at all

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don't you guys like rolf's book?

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No, not at all

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NIT

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I feel like in certain situations it's ok to double up and leave with a 10 or 15 buy in in PLO25. Today I'm playing a guy who has a reputation for raising preflop with everything. I have KKJ4 DS and he raises so I raise and he reraises I go all-in. I win the hand but the next hand he does this to some other ppl hit and makes his hand for 50 bucks. What type of play is this. Then he goes all in on a 988 board with a straight draw. This is absurd he just wants to double up and leave and I feel like theres not much choice for anyone else if they dont wanna get sucked out.

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Great post. There are 2 advantages to employing this strategy as I see it:
1) If you are a below average player this strategy limits the poker skills necessary for success.
2) Other players find adjusting to this startegy difficult. (Rolf's main point I believe)

Certainly you can't blame people for taking advantage of the rules in this way, but hitting and running should be discouraged for the good of the game. I agree with the posters who are calling for higher minimum buy-ins and no maximum. Sounds to me like all concerned citizens should be emailing support at their favorite site ...

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don't you guys like rolf's book? this is exactly what he suggested doing.

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No, it's not: he explicitly states that he doesn't believe rat-holing to be ethical on p.67.

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Well the problem here is that you are not facing a person your facing a screen, there is no ethical way of approaching this. Dignity is not an issue if you want to do something they should make tables with a 15-30 hand min. until you can cashout. Thats a very different approach and I think it could work.

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don't you guys like rolf's book? this is exactly what he suggested doing.

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No, it's not: he explicitly states that he doesn't believe rat-holing to be ethical on p.67.

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he does however, endorse hitting-and-running. He says that once you double up, you're no longer short--so leave the table.

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don't you guys like rolf's book? this is exactly what he suggested doing.

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No, it's not: he explicitly states that he doesn't believe rat-holing to be ethical on p.67.

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i'm talking about shortstacking, not ratholing.