$200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

UTG is 45 3 after 64 hands
MP3 is 41 10 after 39 hands
No other reads

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($102.25)
SB ($290.75)
BB ($191.65)
UTG ($97)
UTG+1 ($24.35)
MP1 ($140.75)
Hero ($259.90)
MP3 ($269.90)
CO ($194.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($9) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $10</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $10, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($39) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $37.1</font>, Hero calls $37.10, MP3 calls $37.10.

River: ($150.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $47.9 (All-In)</font>

Hero???

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

Hero raises allin. obv flat calling is horrendous, and a minraise accomplishes the same thing (chance to get called in one more spot for the same ammount of earn. a raise up this nice will tell ur opponents u have ur flush (which is blatenty obvious at this point), but says nothing about ur low. u stand to get called quite often by UTG who is most likely holding a baby flush witha mediocre low (that blocking bet is telling us that). we might also get lucky and drag MP3 along if he had a NLD w/P, and has the same low. if MP3 has the set, then u werent makin a dime off him anyway. raise for pure value. and nice catch

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

Please note UTG is already all-in

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

mp3 probably has a counterfeited A3 so might as well shove in, the EV is higher.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

ooppss..missed that. i still push tho to gain the add value from MP3 on the times he calls

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

I did push all-in. My thinking was that his raise on the flop looked like a lo draw with a flush draw (wishful thinking?). I figured a push here might look like I was trying to get it heads up and get me a call. As it played out MP3 used his entire time bank before folding. After the hand he said he folded A5 with a king hi flush (2nd nut - 2nd nut). He also said if I smooth call he probably pushes there. Anyone believe him???

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

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I did push all-in. My thinking was that his raise on the flop looked like a lo draw with a flush draw (wishful thinking?). I figured a push here might look like I was trying to get it heads up and get me a call. As it played out MP3 used his entire time bank before folding. After the hand he said he folded A5 with a king hi flush (2nd nut - 2nd nut). He also said if I smooth call he probably pushes there. Anyone believe him???

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Nope

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

not at all

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

I misclick fold this, but I believe a push would be best.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't mind a call. A TON of times if you just call, someone will push their worse flush because they assume you don't have one, or are calling with a mediocre low or sometimes they will shove A4. Also you get a call from a LOT worse hands since the pot is a reasonable size. A6 and 2 pair might call.. he's not calling 200 more though. I think the amount of times you're gonna get the extra 50 outweigh the times you're gonna stack the guy behind you by a large margin. If he has one of the hands you are gonna stack him with he will probably raise all in himself.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

He's not raising here with second nuts both ways. Raising it looks like Hero's low might have just counterfitted and he's trying to isolate himself agaisnt the guy that's all in.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

Sorry prodonkey, I changed my post like seconds afterwards. I didn't notice MP3 in the hand still (now that would have been an interesting post). As a standard, I believe this is a push (A4Xs calls, A5Xs calls by some, bare A4's could call, &amp; if you're lucky other random stuff calls here too). It could be a call however given your image, &amp; your opinon of your oponent/their holdings.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

I'd raise with the 2nd nuts both ways... you're saying you wouldn't.. but that this player that wouldn't is going to put a raiser on a counterfited low? come on

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

I'm just saying.. the guy is 41/10.. and he didn't raise preflop.. he has a marginal hand, he's not calling 200 with a whole heck of a lot of his range as I see it.

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

all in seems to me the best option

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

What about a raise to 150 (3X UTG's bet) or so? Would that be more likely to cause MP3 to think it was a weak isolation raise?

Regards

Gar

Re: $200 PLO8 - Interesting river decision with nut-nut
 

Raise, but don't push. I'd say raise to 150ish, maybe closer to the 140 side.