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600nl 6 max 100bbs all around I'm new at table

Raise JJ in CO to 18, btn and SB call, BB pops to 90. He's on 4 of my 4 tables.

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fold

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call.

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I guess call and hope others come along for the ride.

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This is certainly resonable too. Btw your raise is to 24 I'm assuming?

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I usually fold TT and call JJ I think? Depends on BB, sometimes I would call with TT or fold JJ.

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Whoops 18

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problem with calling is if one of the others comes along too you're in a really tough spot.. which is why folding is what i'd do here prob.

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Quite surprised at people saying fold. I guess that's what makes squeezing so profitable.

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Do you know him? does he squeeze

I must say I cant see fold here, ever.

Not sure If I would call or 4 bet

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two behind its a definit fold for me, one behind prob a call.. depends on if he pulls this move a lot, does he need a huge hand to play OOP against several opponents.. etc

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4betting is gross.

call.

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call all day long.

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4betting is gross.

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Does the fact that his raise was 18 instead of 24 make a difference?

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problem with calling is if one of the others comes along too you're in a really tough spot.. which is why folding is what i'd do here prob.

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But I think we are mostly draw to set value which we have odds to do I think. And possible check down value however unlikely.

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What would everyone do with AK here?

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What would everyone do with AK here?

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shove

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is calling with AK bad?

If your shoving AK, are you shoving KK and AA too?

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A lot better to see five cards with AK. Lots of equity vs his range. Hell yea I shove KK and AA too with two guys left to act.

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A lot better to see five cards with AK. Lots of equity vs his range. Hell yea I shove KK and AA too with two guys left to act.

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A lot better to see five cards with AK. Lots of equity vs his range. Hell yea I shove KK and AA too with two guys left to act.

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What would everyone do with AK here?

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shove

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What if you think villian only makes the RR with QQ+, AK?

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I like a 4bet, why are all of you folding?

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What would everyone do with AK here?

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shove

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What if you think villian only makes the RR with QQ+, AK?

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Then he's a nit, fold and move on.

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problem with calling is if one of the others comes along too you're in a really tough spot.. which is why folding is what i'd do here prob.

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But I think we are mostly draw to set value which we have odds to do I think. And possible check down value however unlikely.

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Or he has 33 and is squeezing, he may even lay down queens here

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if villain was iluvwnba then you should strongly consider pushing

generally call

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generally call cause we gots position, but I think 4 betting is better than folding. We can easily get AQ maybe even AK to fold to a 4 bet incorrectly.

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Call, CALL and cALL.

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I liked MDMA's posts better when he took 3 pages. I mean, I knew alot of what he was saying, but it was still a good refresher to jog my memory every day of the reasons behind the "standard" play. guess everybody burns out eventually.

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The reasoning is because shoving just runs you right into queens. I thought at the time the guys behind me made raise > call, but considering the reraise size that's probably not the case, thanks guys.

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either shove or make it 240

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why would anyone ever fold JJ preflop

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I don't understand a call when we have the buton yet to act behind us

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call all day long.

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call > fold > raise

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If you have no reason to think he's out of line, fold. You have to stack him like EVERY time you hit a set to pay for running into a big pair.

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I don't see the set value- it's razor thin, if he's folding like 10% of the time you hit, you're in the red.