Where\'s Dave Tuchman?
 

Could he possibly be the new host of "The Circuit" on Cardplayer.com?

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He's on double secret probation.

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He's on double secret probation.

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Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son...

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They're going to make an announcement on L@TB tonight about Dave.

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I sincerely doubt it. I find this whole episode to be extremely strange. Dave goes off, ostensibly back home for Thanksgiving break, and then, without warning and without apparent prior notice to his erstwhile partner, disappears and the show treats him as if he never existed for a couple of days before grudgingly acknowledging his existence on the planet earth, even replacing his name in e-mails they read on the air.

I suppose the most likely explanation is that he got another job and simply quit. I hope I am dead wrong, but the way that Bart signed off on Friday alluding to an announcement from "Live at the Bike" and "Joker Gaming", the corporate name leads me to believe the suits have taken over. But we will see in just a bit. I hope Bart clues us in early on in the show tonight so I don't have to stay up late waiting for the big announcement. But its pretty clear that Dave isn't coming back.

For my part, I will be disappointed at such a turn of events. Bart is a very fine play-by-play announcer; however there is no denying the charisma and synergy between Bart and Dave when they are together in the booth. In this case, 1 + 1 equalled 3. It will be the end of a very pleasant era.

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My thoughts exactly, VBCardinal. I think Dave's exit will signal the point where Live at the Bike jumps the shark, unless they make some changes and make up for the loss.

First, I think Bostin is a good "third man", but the show really needs its commentators to be two professional poker players who play day in and day out. Bart and Dave could engage in an intelligent argument about how to play a hand, based on their experiences everyday in the games at the Bike. But to be brutally honest, Bostin doesn't measure up to Dave in this respect. The show really loses a lot of value without another pro to argue with Bart.

As for chatter on non-poker topics, there's nothing better than Dave needling Bart about whatever the topic might be. Bart and Bostin have good chemistry, too, but it's just not the same.

Second, the show needs to diversify its game and player base. I think viewers are getting tired of the same players in the same game night in and night out. Let's see some nights with the 300-500 game, or even go find a VERY deep 80NL or 40NL game and move it up to table 00. You'd be surprised at how much action and gamboooling there is in a really deep 80NL game.

As for myself, I will keep watching for a while if Dave leaves, but if I'm not getting stimulating analysis from two professionals, I think I'll have to go the way of the Tuckster.

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That was an interesting post. I agree with your sentiments.

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When I was playing last monday - I asked where Dave was (this was the first day Dave was missing and I noticed 10 minutes before the show started that he was gone) - he got very uncomfortable. Then after the show when I asked what the future was - Bart said some things that make me feel the show may be going away altogether. He said, "I'd like to move on - it takes a lot of time and if that happens, I cant see the show sticking around - I dont want to toot my own horn, but I dont think you can pull anyone off the street to replace Dave and I - We were bad at the beginning, but we learned and our current customer base will not stand for listening to people learn on the job - And they cant afford to pay any good announcers so I think the show will end if we leave"

I thought about that and wondered if Dave made an ultamatum to get more salary and they said no. He might have called their bluff and quit. Looking forward to the announcement. Whatever the "official" announcement is, I am going to take it with a grain of salt. It will probably only be 50% accurate and truthful at that - hopefully word around the Bike will spread as to the truth. Secrets cant be held at most of those poker rooms. People just talk too much!

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I thought about that and wondered if Dave made an ultamatum to get more salary and they said no. He might have called their bluff and quit.

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This sounds like a very plausible theory, considering the hourly rate Bart and Dave give up by doing the show for three hours each night in primetime.

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They dont give up that much. Studying the game for 3 hours a day has its benefits, too. I know my game has improved tremendously both by being on the show and watching the archives.

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holy crap guys... This is from Scott Huffs blog




Me on Live at the Bike Tomorrow Night

For those who care:

I will be doing color commentary tomorrow night for Live at the Bike. The show starts at 7:00 p.m. PST and runs until 10 p.m. PST. If you're interested in watching check it out at www.liveatthebike.com

Super host Bart Hanson will be doing the play by play and I will be doing the color.

No, this does not mark a return to poker, though I will be jumping in the booth over at "Live" more often than just this Monday.

I do have job out here in Hollywood now. Starting fairly close to the bottom, but I am very excited to get back on track.

Anyhow. Check it out tomorrow night. www.liveatthebike.com

One love to the nation.

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Yeah, but there's not much more they can learn about these players and probably not a whole lot more they can learn about poker using this format.

Certainly when Bart and Dave signed up for this gig, they did not intend for it to be a long-term commitment. Also, I'm sure they both saw this job as a jumping off point to something bigger in the entertainment field.

If true, though, the end of a great, albeit too short run. I will really miss the show.

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My thoughts exactly, VBCardinal. I think Dave's exit will signal the point where Live at the Bike jumps the shark, unless they make some changes and make up for the loss.

First, I think Bostin is a good "third man", but the show really needs its commentators to be two professional poker players who play day in and day out. Bart and Dave could engage in an intelligent argument about how to play a hand, based on their experiences everyday in the games at the Bike. But to be brutally honest, Bostin doesn't measure up to Dave in this respect. The show really loses a lot of value without another pro to argue with Bart.

As for chatter on non-poker topics, there's nothing better than Dave needling Bart about whatever the topic might be. Bart and Bostin have good chemistry, too, but it's just not the same.

Second, the show needs to diversify its game and player base. I think viewers are getting tired of the same players in the same game night in and night out. Let's see some nights with the 300-500 game, or even go find a VERY deep 80NL or 40NL game and move it up to table 00. You'd be surprised at how much action and gamboooling there is in a really deep 80NL game.

As for myself, I will keep watching for a while if Dave leaves, but if I'm not getting stimulating analysis from two professionals, I think I'll have to go the way of the Tuckster.

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I know I don't speak for everyone, but I personally watch exclusively the 10/20 + games or occasionally the 5/10 game if the lineup is good. I like watching the same players day in and day out, but I can see why some others would like more variety.

Dave will certainly be missed, he was no doubt a big part of the show and him and Bart worked very well together. However, the show pretty much hinges on Bart, IMO. He is probably the best announcer in poker history that I've seen, he follows the action really well and has a lot of good fundamental poker knowledge. He has a great voice for the show as well.

Bostin as you said is a good short term replacement, but there is no way he should be doing the show full time. In my opinion he is pretty far behind Dave and Bart with understanding more complex NL theory and concepts. Several unique complex situations often come up and you can just tell Bostin doesn't quite "get it". Take that for what it's worth.

I hope the show doesn't end or anything, that would be really sad. It's an awesome show.

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Double holy crap.

Its official. Dave's gone.

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Double holy crap.

Its official. Dave's gone.

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I'm pretty sure we knew this since the end of last week.

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Where's Scott's blog at?

Edit: Nevermind, found it over on Myspace.

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MySpace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendid=2268456

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I get the feeling that this is more of LATB cutting ties with Dave rather than the other way around. Dave was always saying how much he loved doing the show and that he wanted to see it become bigger and stronger.
That along with the fact that they need to come out with an "official" statement tells me that this is probably more about the show wanting to go in a different direction or having an issue with Dave.

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lol at scott huff doing color for deep nl cash games. should be entertaining at least.

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Well, regardless of the situation, I hope we get the truth - the real truth from Bart. But as I said before, it sounds like the suits have got ahold of the situation, so its unlikely (and I would know since I'm one of the suits in my day job.)

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They have always been truthful on the show but we will see.

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I forgot to mention this earlier, but there was also a situation 2 1/2 weeks ago when I was playing at a table with Corp Mike and Trish and dave came by to Mike and said, "hey can we talk or should I just email you?" Mike said, "I dont want to talk to you - go away and email me." Later i heard him say, "he accuses me of cheating and colluding and expects me to give him the time of day." Perhaps "the corporation" had something to do with this decision.

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Interesting.

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they do cheat so im glad someone said something. Its 100% [censored] what they get to do.

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I'll chime in here.

I watched LATB for almost 18 months straight and it was awesome. Although I do not watch LATB anymore (I thought the pay subscription idea was a bogus one, I did it for a month and decided it wasn't for me) I had a brief conversation with Dave when I came back to LA for a weekend in the 1st week of October.

I told him that I had been playing for the last 6 months in Vegas and that I was tired and burnt out on the game and that I was glad I had my avenues lined up with my post undergraduate education and whatnot in the future.

He sincerely empathized with my point of view and said something to the effect of "Good for you man. Do you think I want to be a poker player forever?".

I believe Dave has very high goals, dreams, and aspirations and right now, LATB does not seem to be quenching his thirst for "bigger and better things".

Understandable...

(just my .02)

Re: Where\'s Dave Tuchman?
 

Absolutely they cheat, no doubt about it. And if that's the reason why Dave is off the show (which would explain why Bart is being so politically correct), then that's total bull---t.

Mike's a total piece of s--t anyway.

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Dave has said on the air that he thought the way Mike and his mom soft play each other is wrong and he said it during the broadcast, even saying that is was quote-unquote "[censored]".

If Mike watched the show, he then may have said, hey I don't want this said or talked about. It should be fair game, since announcers should be allowed to say what they want, but if they have a say at the casino, then I could see how this could happen.

On the other hand, as someone who has the type of relationship that they do at the casino, I am often put off by Mike's language and behavior at the table. WHile, I understand this happens all the time, as I am a professional dealer, you would think that he would be more in control of his emotions.

Certainly, winning players usually shrug off a beat, especially when the other player has bucked proper odds, and would be a long-term loser that u just have to pay off.

I think the other problem that goes with this is that it is not necessarily entertaining when they check it down, but you never hear other players in the game complain at least in the background, as usually the betting takes place and when Mike and Trish are the only ones left they have the best hand vs. draw situation, or kicker vs. kicker.

I think that I actually prefer seeing the same cast of characters. It seems that I am not as interested when watching a table of nine new players.

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I concur with surfin on this point. The few times I've chatted with Dave at the Bike, he's mentioned that his really big goal right now is to get a major screenplay completed and sold. At one point he & his writing partner were close to closing a deal on one of their projects. He made it sound like if the deal got done, he was gonna be stuck just writing all day and maybe coming to the Bike to do L@TB commentary, but wouldn't have any time to play poker anymore.

just my 2 cents...

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If Dave is gone, I'm going to unsubscribe to LATB. Dave was such a great commentator, and made me laugh at various times.

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Im sure they care.

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I always did think it was weird that Bart and Dave were commenting on the play of their bosses. I did think it was commendable that they were OK with criticizing their play at times, but found that they did "talk up" their abilities more than I ever saw evidence of. Mike in particular just seemed like an out and out donkey who had to be a big money loser in the game.

Really if they fired Dave over something so trivial as his talking about their soft-playing each other, which is something we all saw time and time again, it will end up being LATB's loss more than Dave's.

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I always did think it was weird that Bart and Dave were commenting on the play of their bosses. I did think it was commendable that they were OK with criticizing their play at times, but found that they did "talk up" their abilities more than I ever saw evidence of. Mike in particular just seemed like an out and out donkey who had to be a big money loser in the game.

Really if they fired Dave over something so trivial as his talking about their soft-playing each other, which is something we all saw time and time again, it will end up being LATB's loss more than Dave's.

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Who are their "bosses"? Mike and Trish run the company that banks the Asian games, they are not their "bosses" in any way, shape or form as far as what Bart and Dave have explained on air.