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Since the last one was so popular, here is one that is more relevant, that I have no idea about.

In a fight to the death with no gloves inside an enclosure, rate the chances of these five:

World's best boxer

World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts.

World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned.

World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever.

World's best ultimate fighting champion

Assume fairly equal weights of course

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Navy SEAL. It's not even close.

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Your awfully wrong, its a ultimate fighting champion and its far from close.

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Your awfully wrong, its a ultimate fighting champion and its far from close.

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It's a fight to the death. Last time I checked, the SEAL was the only one on that list who was actually trained to kill.

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wow... you ever knock someone out, its not that hard to kill them after that point. you ever choke someone out, its not that hard to kill them if you don't let go.

Also Guy Metzger, a average ufc fighter, beat up multiple navy seals at a bar.

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ufc champ

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I'm going with the best gang street fighter.

There's a pretty high chance that world's best fighter isn't a Navy Seal, Boxer, Martial Arts or UFC fighter.

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I'm going with the best gang street fighter.

There's a pretty high chance that world's best fighter isn't a Navy Seal, Boxer, Martial Arts or UFC fighter.

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Gang street fighters lives aren't dedicated to fighting, look at kimbo slice who is a great street fighter. When he faught a mediocre cage figher he was beat. Its hard to compare someone who dedicates their life to fighting to someone who just fights on the streets.

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UF champion will win,and it is not even close.And for everyone thinking otherwise,if he knows about poker as much as about fighting-he is always welcome at my table.

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Whoever knows that move Uma Thurman used at the end of the movie "Kill Bill II".

PairTheBoard

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I would rate street fighter at the bottom with the boxer. Both because of limited skill sets.

In the middle the Navy Seal, because of his limited experience, so to say. Also, much of his skill set is devoted to skills not involving fighting or killing.

Also, as all five are fighting together, the above probably have limited experience with multiple opponents.

I can't compare the other two because I'm not sure what ultimate fighting is. I suppose it includes martial arts, but to what degree? Does it include multiple opponents?

Martial arts frequently include multiple opponents, deflecting blows, and having good balance, all very important in this fight. I would put it first or a close second in a multi-opponent fight.

There is also the dynamic of two or more fighters possibly ganging up on a favorite.

Martial Arts 33%
Ultimate Fighter 32%
Navy Seal 26%
Street Fighter 6%
Boxer 3%

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wow... you ever knock someone out, its not that hard to kill them after that point. you ever choke someone out, its not that hard to kill them if you don't let go.

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You're assuming the SEAL allows him to do either of those things. This is one of the most basic differences between someone who is trained for fighting and someone who is trained for combat--the latter individual will go straight for the kill.

Taking your Guy Metzger story as true, the Navy SEALs he beat up were not the "most elite" SEAL in terms of hand to hand combat, nor was the fight to the death.

I think we can all agree that the boxer would stand next to no chance, at least.

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Whoever knows that move Uma Thurman used at the end of the movie "Kill Bill II".

PairTheBoard

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Ah yes, the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.

Yep, Pai Mei would be the favorite heads up. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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There are many different kinds of Asian martial arts, a lot them originally developed to kill, so I'd say that a true master of an Asian martial arts is the favorite.

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wow... you ever knock someone out, its not that hard to kill them after that point. you ever choke someone out, its not that hard to kill them if you don't let go.

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You're assuming the SEAL allows him to do either of those things. This is one of the most basic differences between someone who is trained for fighting and someone who is trained for combat--the latter individual will go straight for the kill.

Taking your Guy Metzger story as true, the Navy SEALs he beat up were not the "most elite" SEAL in terms of hand to hand combat, nor was the fight to the death.

I think we can all agree that the boxer would stand next to no chance, at least.

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If there was some some special deathblow that all seals know then how come they train in brazillian jiu jitsu? The fact of the matter is there isn't a move that a seal could pull that a figher would not be trained in defending.

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David,

I think I'd rank them as follows:

World's best ultimate fighting champion
World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts.
World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned.
World's best boxer
World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever.

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Ulitmate Fighter/MMA fighter and it's not even close.

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I'll take the boxer because he would be the quickest and best athlete. I can remember watching a boxer v. kickboxer match in the 1970's. They were middleweights. All my friends bet me that the kickboxer would win. The kickboxer had an edge in round 1. But in round 2 the boxer knocked the kick boxer down and then launched multiple punches. The kick boxer then quit.

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Limited skills for a street fighter? Gittfkoth?

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I would guess that Crocop and Fedor are probably the two most dangerous men on the planet. I think they would beat anyone else (human) in the world in hand to hand combat to the death.

Crocop/Fedor
UFC Champ
Navy SEAL
Streetfighter
Best practicioner of his chosen martial art
Boxer

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if it a one on one the ufc wins everytime. if it's a five man free for all then it comes down to the smartest man with the bast stradegy. either teaming up with someone and fighting him in the end or sitting back and wait for the other four to beat eachother up and tire eachother out then getting going at the end when it's almost over.

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I would guess that Crocop and Fedor are probably the two most dangerous men on the planet. I think they would beat anyone else (human) in the world in hand to hand combat to the death.

Crocop/Fedor
UFC Champ
Navy SEAL
Streetfighter
Best practicioner of his chosen martial art
Boxer

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No love for big nog?

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Navy SEAL. It's not even close.

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An average SEAL would get his ass kicked in this crowd, but the world's best must be pretty f-ing hard core and may be highly trained in many different disciplines.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_Seal#Training

it doesn't mention much (if anything ) about hand to hand combat. safe to say that the majority of the seal's training would not be useful in this fight. undoubtedly, the navy seal would be in the best shape of all of them but the MMA fighter would know so much more technique that he has to be the winner.

i actually wonder if the asian martial artist would beat the navy seal though. can you imagine bruce lee fighting a navy seal of equal weight? i can't imagine the navy seal winning.

street fighter obviously last. boxer 2nd to last.

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wow... you ever knock someone out, its not that hard to kill them after that point. you ever choke someone out, its not that hard to kill them if you don't let go.

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You're assuming the SEAL allows him to do either of those things. This is one of the most basic differences between someone who is trained for fighting and someone who is trained for combat--the latter individual will go straight for the kill.

Taking your Guy Metzger story as true, the Navy SEALs he beat up were not the "most elite" SEAL in terms of hand to hand combat, nor was the fight to the death.

I think we can all agree that the boxer would stand next to no chance, at least.

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I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this...

That said, it would depend on the fighting style of the UFC champion. The UFC fighter would be the favorite over anyone heads up, but if he was a grappler he'd lose substantial value against many opponents. All those fancy submission holds applied while lying on the mat won't do him much good once the other guys start stomping on his head. If, however, the UFC fighter was more of a striker, I think he'd be either be a slight favorite over or a slight dog to the Asian martial artist.

I think the worst would be the Navy SEAL. These guys are trained to kill with weapons, but in hand to hand combat they would get schooled by any of the experts. The streetfighter would face a similar handicap, as he's probably used to fighting with knvies, barstools and so forth, but is probably a pip or two ahead of the SEAL because he's more likely to be on PCP.

I think the boxer would kick the ass of the SEAL and streetfighter, but wouldn't be much of a match for the other two because his inability to fight with his legs or use submission holds if he makes it to one on one combat.

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no love for a martial arts? no votes for bruce lee?

[censored] alpha, didn't see it.

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i think you guys are giving the asian martial artist more credit than he deserves. to many jet lee movies for you guys.

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Fedor is the favorite against anyone in a barehands fight to the death. I think he is a significant favorite against any non MMA fighter.

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I can't believe I'm wasting my time on this...

That said, it would depend on the fighting style of the UFC champion. The UFC fighter would be the favorite over anyone heads up, but if he was a grappler he'd lose substantial value against many opponents. All those fancy submission holds applied while lying on the mat won't do him much good once the other guys start stomping on his head. If, however, the UFC fighter was more of a striker, I think he'd be either be a slight favorite over or a slight dog to the Asian martial artist.

I think the worst would be the Navy SEAL. These guys are trained to kill with weapons, but in hand to hand combat they would get schooled by any of the experts. The streetfighter would face a similar handicap, as he's probably used to fighting with knvies, barstools and so forth, but is probably a pip or two ahead of the SEAL because he's more likely to be on PCP.

I think the boxer would kick the ass of the SEAL and streetfighter, but wouldn't be much of a match for the other two because his inability to fight with his legs or use submission holds if he makes it to one on one combat.

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I'm sorry you wasted your time on this too, because apparently you never heard of a takedown. Explain how you stomp on someones head when they have mounted you and are bashing your head in with elbows. Apparently you think while fighting people just dive to the ground and lay there waiting for their opponents to stomp them.

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the martial arts guys never do well in UFC

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Wrestlers are notoriusly good fighters because of their ability to take down and control an opponent, its a important part of fighting.

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[/ QUOTE ]what? ufc fighters work out 5-8 hours a day every day. they would definatly be in the best shape of all.

http://www.canadastarboxing.com/ufc-...erre-sherk.jpg

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I'm sorry you wasted your time on this too, because apparently you never heard of a takedown. Explain how you stomp on someones head when they have mounted you and are bashing your head in with elbows. Apparently you think while fighting people just dive to the ground and lay there waiting for their opponents to stomp them.

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If you're going to make obnoxious posts you should at least take care to fully comprehend the argument you're responding to.

It's not the guy who is getting choked out or whatever who is stomping on the UFC fighter's head, it's the other three guys who suddenly see the other two on the ground.

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I dont think people are giving the pure martial artists enough credit, those guys are fricken quick and probaly can do some major damage with moves that arent allowed in UFC (so therefore UFC guys dont practice).

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I'm sorry you wasted your time on this too, because apparently you never heard of a takedown. Explain how you stomp on someones head when they have mounted you and are bashing your head in with elbows. Apparently you think while fighting people just dive to the ground and lay there waiting for their opponents to stomp them.

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If you're going to make obnoxious posts you should at least take care to fully comprehend the argument you're responding to.

It's not the guy who is getting choked out or whatever who is stomping on the UFC fighter's head, it's the other three guys who suddenly see the other two on the ground.

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I apoologize I thought the argument was based on 1 v 1 fights, if its everyone fighting at the same then this alters things greatly.

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undoubtedly, the navy seal would be in the best shape of all of them



[/ QUOTE ]what? ufc fighters work out 5-8 hours a day every day. they would definatly be in the best shape of all.

http://www.canadastarboxing.com/ufc-...erre-sherk.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]goddamnit are you kidding. the entire point of navy seal training is for them to become the most conditioned people on the planet. read what it takes to become a navy seal and ask yourself how many UFC fighters would pass that test.

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I dont think people are giving the pure martial artists enough credit, those guys are fricken quick and probaly can do some major damage with moves that arent allowed in UFC (so therefore UFC guys dont practice).

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the secret death touch is not used in mma because it does not exist. please tell me one move that a martial artist knows that a real fighter does not.

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[/ QUOTE ]goddamnit are you kidding. the entire point of navy seal training is for them to become the most conditioned people on the planet. read what it takes to become a navy seal and ask yourself how many UFC fighters would pass that test.

[/ QUOTE ]no i'm not kidding . top tier mma fighters are among the top conditioned athletes in the world. the "entire point" of the seals is killing with guns.

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World's best boxer - 15%

World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts. - 20%

World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned. - 20%

World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever. - 5%

World's best ultimate fighting champion - 40%

Assume fairly equal weights of course

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