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OT: Life update of a beefcake (uber long)
I originally posted this in Skipperbob's roulette thread but decided that this would prolly get more views.
Most here know that I have been playing poker for a living for about a year and a half. About a year and a half ago, I had switched majors for the 87365023875620 time. I had 6 years of college experience, but due to the fact that I wasted 4 years of my life in engineering school, I didn't have anything remotely close to a curriculum acceptable for a degree. I was about 2 full years (yes, including summers) away from getting a degree, and since I have always hated school, the thought of completing my degree made me sick. I enjoyed playing poker, and like everyone else who plays this game, I thought that I was a lot better than I actually was. As such, I declared myself a professional player. I contacted Irieguy about coaching to learn sngs, and I learned a decent amount from him. But, my views on life were very skewed due to my massive ego. I thought that just by having been coached and being johnnybeef I would crush the sng world. Basically, I struggled......a lot. Some how or another, I ended up making enough money to make it out to Vegas 2x to kick it with everyone and I made some great friends who helped me stay a float for a year and a half (the first time being June of '05, the second being Sept of '05.) Since the last trip out, I have probably told umpteen million people umpteen million times that I would make it out to vegas/LA/or wherever to kick it with them. Every one of those times fell short because even though I understood the game of poker, I just had too many damn bad habits to keep me from getting any good at the game (the most notably of which is trying to push people off of hands far too often.) From Sept 05-Sept 06 I pulled in about 20k which was enough to get by on due to my low cost of living. Most of you are probably wondering why the hell I would subject myself to such a [censored] life. When I started playing for a living I did it because I wanted the freedom of being my own boss. I thought that college was a waste of time because all of my buddys with degrees were making 40-50k a year working for someone else and they seemed miserable. As such, I absolutely despiesed the thought of getting a job or going to school. This kind of thinking blinded me. I thought that I was getting better every day, and success was just around the corner. I was about to break out any day. Days went by and no break out. I was making about 2-3k a month at micro limits. But, for whatever reason, I couldn't overcome a couple of massive leaks and move up to 1/2 nl and above. Anyone who has played with me knows that I am very able and capable of beating this game, but I finally decided in the beginning of November that maybe I just wasn't meant to be a professional poker player. I won't go into great detail about what forced me to start thinking about a job, but essentially I hit a pretty nasty run when party left the market, and I had to empty my br to pay my roommate money that I owed him for the last two months of rent and bills. Since I was broke, and my line of credit was more or less maxed out, I decided that I would work for my boy matt 2-3 days a week and play in a few juicy home games until the holidays when I would get some seasonal employment. After that, the plan was to go back to school and become exactly what I didn't want to become (a w-2 employee making 50k a year and living in misery.) This plan lasted about 2 days as I worked for Matt on the first monday of the month. After we got off, he took me to a bar to watch MNF and we had a few beers. At the bar, I called up my old friend Nate in an effort to get a number of a guy that used to run a game that we used to play in. That is the conversation that changed my life. He ended up giving me the number, and since I hadn't talked to him in a year or so we shot the [censored] for a few minutes. I asked him if he was still waiting tables and he said that he was, but he had just started a new big-boy job as a mortgage broker that could be very lucrative for him. Nate and I were in very similar situations in that neither of us had degrees because the thought of finishing up college at 28 or 29 is overwhelming, and we both kind of got caught up in the restaurant employee trap (cash in hand at the end of the night, living your life like you are in college even though you are 24 or 25.) He asked me if I was still playing poker (I left the restaurant that we worked together at for 3 years about 2 years prior to this conversation) and I told him that the dream was just about over and that I was about to be poor as hell (even poorer than I was.) He instantly told me that he could get me an interview at his company with his manager (who also happened to be his best friend that I have met once or twice.) Being open minded, I accepted his offer. I have now been training to be a mortgage broker for three weeks with this company and I think that I have found my true calling. It is as if everything that I have done in my life up to this point has lead up to this. Athletics and poker have given me an aggressive cut-throat mentality. My fraternity and restaurant days have taught me how to speak to people. Poker has taught me how to be much more analytical and much less emotional. In short, I love my new job, and am as happy as I have ever been. I pull into my companys parking lot and see nothing but BMW's Lexus' and Mercedes everywhere. If you were to walk into my office when people are on the phones, it wouldn't be too far removed from the movie boiling point (except for instead of everyone being millionares, its more like $100k-200k.) I used to think that there was no greater feeling in life than winning an enourmous pot and tricking some donkey into stacking off to you. Well, I am here to say that this is no longer true. The biggest rush of my life happened today. In a nutshell, my job is calling people who have expressed enough interest in refinancing that they have given a full sheet of information about their selves, their homes, and their mortgages to a telemarketer. Most of the time when I call someone, the first thing that they do is immediately say "I'm not interested." Overcoming this statement is a very difficult thing to do as it is so very easy to put your tail between your legs and say, "ok, thank you for your time." Today, I learned how to overcome that. I have done just about every drug in the book in my life, I have had enourmous highs of winning a poker tournament, and I have absolutely dominated someone on a wrestling mat in front of 4-5k people. Not one of those will give you a bigger ego boost or a better high than hearing the words "I'm not interested" and somehow getting them to tell you everything about every little detail of their life. To top it off, I actually get paid very good money to do it. I'm starting to get a little long winded right now, but I basically wanted to update a bunch of friends on how I have been doing, and to tell you that while I will be missing out on the activities of next week, I will without a doubt be out in Vegas the next time that this crew meets up. In fact, I can't wait to tell John Hurst to "cut the BS." I can't wait to spend $500 buying lapdances and shots for Usher even though I only brought $3k with me for the entire trip. I can't wait to tell Dali what a pissant he is, or Skipper about how old he is. I can't wait to harass suited for being a pussy because he isn't having the time of his life in the best city inthe world. I can't wait to tell slacker to take off his damn hat at a top notch steak house and then have him rip my shirt while wrestling with him in the parking lot. I can't wait to hear Yugo's annoying phrases "batches" and "ship it" or to keep greek house up all night long because I snore too much. I can't wait to have Irie bet me $200 that I can't get a hot chick to say 5 words to me when we are both black out wasted, win the bet, and then put it on the pass line at a craps table because it was the easiest bet I have ever won........and on and on and on. The rest of you that I haven't mentioned, I appologize, but people are about to stop reading so that will have to wait for another thread. Just know that I love you all, and that I look forward to seeing you, as well as meeting everyone who I have ever heald a conversation on aim with (even if it was only 1 or 2 sentences.) Looking back on the last year and a half of my life, I have absolutely no regrets. I learned more about myself and life in general from 2 years of poker than 12 years of school and athletics. I would say that about the only thing that I have learned more from was living with my parents for 18 years (who are both very successful....and not necesarilly in the financial way as my mom is a teacher.) To those of you who are thinking about quiting college, don't do it. Keep your options open because you never know what opportunity will open up. I am 26 (turning 27 in 3 months) and just finally starting to find myself professionally. Keep your chins up and when you fall down, keep on getting up. You will thank yourself for it in the future. ps. I am purposely not spell checking this just for you Craig. |
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10/10 if you had gone through a training program involving Ben Affleck yelling at you. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] SHIPPPPPPPPPPPPPP IT! Yugoslav |
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Thanks for letting us know how your doing JBeef, it made me really happy to see that you seem to be happy since I know very well how much you struggled with stuff in the past. Work hard at your new job and blow those other people away!
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Good luck from your favorite Canadian. [/ QUOTE ] You and Unarmed should play hu for that title. It would be a vicious match |
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Awesome read, gl with your new job.
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Good stuff. You seem like a good guy and I hope you have success in the future.
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Nice post man. Some people make working a 9-5 job seem terrible, but if you are doing something you enjoy and making good money, then it's awesome. Good luck.
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Nice post. Congrats & gl with the new job!
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9/10 10/10 if you had gone through a training program involving Ben Affleck yelling at you. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] SHIPPPPPPPPPPPPPP IT! Yugoslav [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean you don't do business over the phone? How do you do it? Smoke signals? Mr Johnson world leaders conduct business over the phone... Congrats on your success - the mortgage industry is a great industry to be in. Build up a base of very happy customers and you'll have referrals forever! Good luck! |
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OMG! I knew there was an adult within in you all along. Glad that you have found a vocation that fits for you. No doubt in my mind that you will succeed.
Balance is the key for you me thinks. Seems that you have found a new center of life-gravity and that's a good thing. Next time we "kick it", wear an expensive shirt. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Slacka |
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nice read johnny, its good to know that people arent encouraging me to drop out of school even though i suck at it and dont get any playing volume in [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Balance is the key for you me thinks. [/ QUOTE ] Definitely [ QUOTE ] I knew there was an adult within in you all along. [/ QUOTE ] I love hearing this from the oldest kid I know [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] Next time we "kick it" [/ QUOTE ] Please do me a favor and never put that term in quotations again. |
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What do you mean you don't do business over the phone? How do you do it? Smoke signals? Mr Johnson world leaders conduct business over the phone... [/ QUOTE ] Oooooo, I may just have to use that one next week. [ QUOTE ] Congrats on your success - the mortgage industry is a great industry to be in. Build up a base of very happy customers and you'll have referrals forever! [/ QUOTE ] I don't know if I am going to be doing this until retirement (in fact, I'm pretty certain that I'm not) as it looks like there is a cieling in it unless I own my own company (I really do have a natural ability for sales, so that prolly won't happen.) The plan right now is to do it for 5-10 years, and then switch over to real estate. I'm about to head off to bed, and since I can't view 2p2 at work, I'll check out this thread tomorrow evening to get back with people. Thanks for all of the well wishes. |
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GJ and GL man. Don't tilt when when you get your first refi renege tho. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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If you don't mind me asking, who do you work for?
I've done some telephone sales and the most important thing, IMO, is never settle for small victories. If someone says, "I want to talk to my husband about this, can you call me back next Thursday?" the answer is not "Sure, what time is good for you?" because there's like a 70% chance you'll never speak with that person again. I had a lot of trouble getting over that hump myself. |
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[ QUOTE ] Good luck from your favorite Canadian. [/ QUOTE ] You and Unarmed should play hu for that title. It would be a vicious match [/ QUOTE ] Umm....you've seen unarmed play HU right? He looks a bit drunk and acts confused and quiet the whole time??? Like he has no idea what is going on?!? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Yugoslav |
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good post.
congrats on finding something you seem to enjoy and be excited about. |
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Good luck. I have a lot of experience in the industry and won't be a bit surprised if you are successful.
The ceiling in the industry is huge. My last boss made something like $3 million in commissions in his last year as a loan officer. You can move up by selling bigger loans - commercial, multifamily, or higher priced areas. Mortgage brokers often have other real estate investment opportunities as well, but I'd recommend you be patient and wait until you run good over a decent sample before you try to move up. |
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I'm happy for ya, but remember, the same demens that were in school and poker are there too. When it stops being exciting and starts being rutine remember to work at staying focused and motivated. You have a pretty good grasp of what your challanges are, so watch out for em and work past em and you'll be fine
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Hey Beef: I'm really glad to hear that you have found swomething that has a good chance to work-out & make you happy....You're one of my faves and a good example to the noobs about why 2+2 is da bomb....Hope to see you @ HUC III
PS: Don't pay retail for TB shirts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]..PS-2 = Got a wine for you to try if you can find it = Euhlers 2002 is a California merlot to die for |
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jb, ur one of the last people that i'd suspect of giving up the poker lifestyle to be honest.
gl in the future. |
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Glad to hear things are turning for you. Good Luck in your new venture.
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Beeeef,
Good read. I have no doubts that you will pwn the world of mortgage broker-ing. For realz. I'll be coming out for each of the next 234987 vegas trips, so hopefully you'll be out there the next few times. Be good. Live your life. And if you ever need to bitch about anything, you know where to find me! |
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If you were to walk into my office when people are on the phones, it wouldn't be too far removed from the movie boiling point [/ QUOTE ] http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/6420/0139cz8.jpg Plot Summary for Boiling Point (1993/I) Red is an aging scam-artist who's just been released from prison together with Ronnie, a young and not-so-bright hoodlum who is easily manipulated. Their new business is to organize fake-money sales and then kill the buyer to take his money; but when Ronnie kills an undercover secret service agent, his partner Jimmy Mercer vows revenge and is given one week to catch the killers before being transferred. ---------- In all seriousness though, good luck in your career. |
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If you were to walk into my office when people are on the phones, it wouldn't be too far removed from the movie boiling point [/ QUOTE ] Did you mean "Boiling Point" or "Boiler Room"?? <u>JIM (Ben Affleck)</u> : This is the deal. I am not here to waste your time and I can only hope you're not here to waste mine. So I'm gonna keep this short. You become an employee of this firm and you will make your first million within three years. Okay? Let me repeat that. You will make a million dollars within three years of your first day of employment at JT Marlin. Everybody got that? There is no question as to whether you will be a millionaire working at this firm, the question is how many times over. You think I'm joking. I am not joking. I am a millionaire. It's a weird thing to hear, right? I'll tell you, it's a weird thing to say. I'm a f2cking millionaire. Now guess how old I am? Twenty-seven. You know what that makes me here? A f2cking senior citizen. This firm is entirely comprised of people your age, not mine. Lucky for me, I am very f2cking good at my job or I'd be out of one. You guys are the new blood. You're gonna go home with the kesef. You're the future Big- Swinging-D!cks of this firm. Now you all look money hungry and that's good. Anybody who says money is the root of all evil, doesn't have it! Money can't buy happiness? Look at the f2cking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby. You wanna hear details? I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolet. I have a ridiculous house on the South Fork. I've got every toy you can imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now that you know what's possible, let me tell you what's required. You are required to work your 2ss off. We want winners, not pikers. A piker is someone who walks at the bell. A piker asks how much vacation time he gets in the first year. See, people work here to become filthy rich. No other reason. That's it. You want vacation time? Go teach third grade public school. Your first six months at the firm are as a trainee... you make one hundred and fifty dollars a week. After you're done training, you take the Series Seven test. When you pass, you become a junior broker and you'll be opening accounts for your team leader. After you open forty accounts you begin working for yourself and then... sky's the limit. Now a word about being a trainee. The other brokers, your parents, whoever: they're gonna give you sh!t about it. And it's true, a hundred and fifty a week is not a lot of money, but pay no mind. You need to learn the business and this is the time to do it. Once you pass the Series Seven none of it will matter. Your friends are sh!t. You're gonna tell them you made twenty-five thousand last month and they're not going to believe you. F2ck them! Your parents don't like the life you lead? F2ck you Mom and Dad! See how you feel when I'm making your f2cking Lexus payment. Now go home and think about whether this is for you. If you decide it isn't, nothing to be embarrassed about. It's not for everyone. But if you really want it, then give me a call on Monday and we'll talk. Just don't waste my f2cking time. Alright. That's it. |
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[ QUOTE ] If you were to walk into my office when people are on the phones, it wouldn't be too far removed from the movie boiling point [/ QUOTE ] Did you mean "Boiling Point" or "Boiler Room"?? This move is f'n awesome. This scene in particular is just priceless. This is what I should do with my day: watch Boiler Room. I need to work out though and didn't play poker for damn near a week because of Thanksgiving Break and school though so I'll prolly just play some pokah after I eventually drag myself to the gym. <u>JIM (Ben Affleck)</u> : This is the deal. I am not here to waste your time and I can only hope you're not here to waste mine. So I'm gonna keep this short. You become an employee of this firm and you will make your first million within three years. Okay? Let me repeat that. You will make a million dollars within three years of your first day of employment at JT Marlin. Everybody got that? There is no question as to whether you will be a millionaire working at this firm, the question is how many times over. You think I'm joking. I am not joking. I am a millionaire. It's a weird thing to hear, right? I'll tell you, it's a weird thing to say. I'm a f2cking millionaire. Now guess how old I am? Twenty-seven. You know what that makes me here? A f2cking senior citizen. This firm is entirely comprised of people your age, not mine. Lucky for me, I am very f2cking good at my job or I'd be out of one. You guys are the new blood. You're gonna go home with the kesef. You're the future Big- Swinging-D!cks of this firm. Now you all look money hungry and that's good. Anybody who says money is the root of all evil, doesn't have it! Money can't buy happiness? Look at the f2cking smile on my face. Ear to ear, baby. You wanna hear details? I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriolet. I have a ridiculous house on the South Fork. I've got every toy you can imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now that you know what's possible, let me tell you what's required. You are required to work your 2ss off. We want winners, not pikers. A piker is someone who walks at the bell. A piker asks how much vacation time he gets in the first year. See, people work here to become filthy rich. No other reason. That's it. You want vacation time? Go teach third grade public school. Your first six months at the firm are as a trainee... you make one hundred and fifty dollars a week. After you're done training, you take the Series Seven test. When you pass, you become a junior broker and you'll be opening accounts for your team leader. After you open forty accounts you begin working for yourself and then... sky's the limit. Now a word about being a trainee. The other brokers, your parents, whoever: they're gonna give you sh!t about it. And it's true, a hundred and fifty a week is not a lot of money, but pay no mind. You need to learn the business and this is the time to do it. Once you pass the Series Seven none of it will matter. Your friends are sh!t. You're gonna tell them you made twenty-five thousand last month and they're not going to believe you. F2ck them! Your parents don't like the life you lead? F2ck you Mom and Dad! See how you feel when I'm making your f2cking Lexus payment. Now go home and think about whether this is for you. If you decide it isn't, nothing to be embarrassed about. It's not for everyone. But if you really want it, then give me a call on Monday and we'll talk. Just don't waste my f2cking time. Alright. That's it. [/ QUOTE ] Boiler Room is the sh!t & these scene is priceless. |
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"Boiler Room"?? [/ QUOTE ] Boiler room. Yea, that's the one. |
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[ QUOTE ] I knew there was an adult within in you all along. [/ QUOTE ] I love hearing this from the oldest kid I know [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, don't listen to anything this guy has to say [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Seriously, though, this is great John. I don't know you that well but have always got a kick out of your posts and contributions to the forum. I'll give you a shout next time I'm in Columbus (probably early next year). |
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Glengarry Glen Ross of course.
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Great read man.
BTW ... are the vegas trips an invite only thing? or is there room for some 2+2 noobs. |
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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] johnnybeef
On a serious note I think this post summarizes the sttf community quite nicely. The whole idea of no matter what happens in this poker world where in it together, even when I suck out on you. "I've been up and down and around about and back again..found my self right back where I started again." Age Jim Croce |
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It was nice to heat the update, beef, I really missed you at the last HUC and was hoping you could make it out here this month.
But it sounds like you have things on track and I look forward to your next Vegas trip, which should be soon. Best of luck in your new career. Irieguy PS- your spelling wasn't all that bad for a first draft. PPS- Humility is the most admirable of all human traits, as it begets compassion. Compassion is the most desirable of all human traits, as it begets happiness. |
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It was nice to heat the update, beef, I really missed you at the last HUC and was hoping you could make it out here this month. But it sounds like you have things on track and I look forward to your next Vegas trip, which should be soon. Best of luck in your new career. Irieguy PS- your spelling wasn't all that bad for a first draft. PPS- Humility is the most admirable of all human traits, as it begets compassion. Compassion is the most desirable of all human traits, as it begets happiness. [/ QUOTE ] Last night I went to Lucinda Williams concert where her father, a poet, read as well. From one of his poems: "Have compassion for everyone you meet, even if they don't want it. What appears bad manners, an ill temper or cynicism is always a sign of things no ears have heard, no eyes have seen. You do not know what wars are going on down there where the spirit meets the bone." |
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Im very happy for you Beef. You have always kept it real and thats the reason I always liked you. I wish you nothing but success.
And remember if you ever make it out to Ann Arbor make sure you get a hold of me, still want to grab a few beers. Oh and, Columbus is a whore! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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I'm happy for ya, but remember, the same demens that were in school and poker are there too. When it stops being exciting and starts being rutine remember to work at staying focused and motivated. You have a pretty good grasp of what your challanges are, so watch out for em and work past em and you'll be fine [/ QUOTE ] And I will add my little piece of advice.... you can always play poker on the side! [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] |
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You're one of the first people I remember from when I first started reading these forums over two years ago. its good to hear you're turning things around for yourself. The most important thing is to be happy, enjoy what you're doing and surround yourself with loving people. From another wolverine, best of luck beef, keep us updated.
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"Have compassion for everyone you meet, even if they don't want it. What appears bad manners, an ill temper or cynicism is always a sign of things no ears have heard, no eyes have seen. You do not know what wars are going on down there where the spirit meets the bone." [/ QUOTE ] Word. Thank you for this little nugget of insight. Irieguy |
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