One that I didn\'t horribly botch, probably!
 

BB is a regs TAG, SB is a fish.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
<font color="blue">Hero: $650.90</font>
SB: $219.20
<font color="red">BB: $982.50</font>

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $32</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $96</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($234, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $170</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $540.9</font>

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nice

hopefully he doesn't have 33

do you guys post hands like this because you are genuinely interested in responses or do you just wanna prove how clever you are [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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dare i say.....standard?

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What exactly are we repping. Specifically an overpair that is ahead of his counterfitted J9? Thanks Sorry if this is basic

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What exactly are we repping. Specifically an overpair that is ahead of his counterfitted J9? Thanks Sorry if this is basic

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An overpair, or boat.

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What exactly are we repping. Specifically an overpair that is ahead of his counterfitted J9? Thanks Sorry if this is basic

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Hero doesn't expect to get called here that often. Some players never c/r the flop without the goods but obviously doesn't think villian narrows his range as much as that. Also, with the fish in between it's quite common for villian to lead out the flop with a set (assuming the fish is weak with calls) rather than go for a c/r, especially as the c-bet is less likely with a calling station in the pot.

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who anyone disagree with pushing the flop if u can put vilian on an overpair?

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Hero doesn't expect to get called here that often. Some players never c/r the flop without the goods but obviously doesn't think villian narrows his range as much as that. Also, with the fish in between it's quite common for villian to lead out the flop with a set (assuming the fish is weak with calls) rather than go for a c/r, especially as the c-bet is less likely with a calling station in the pot.

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The main villain who checkraises is the BB and the donk is the SB. Going for the c/r was villain's only hope of trapping dead money from the donk in the pot.

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Hero doesn't expect to get called here that often. Some players never c/r the flop without the goods but obviously doesn't think villian narrows his range as much as that. Also, with the fish in between it's quite common for villian to lead out the flop with a set (assuming the fish is weak with calls) rather than go for a c/r, especially as the c-bet is less likely with a calling station in the pot.

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The main villain who checkraises is the BB and the donk is the SB. Going for the c/r was villain's only hope of trapping dead money from the donk in the pot.

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Good point, I thought the SB and BB were the other way around. This makes it a little more likely that villian had a set I guess, but the point about expecting a c-bet less often remains.

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I would shove flop here. There's only 1 99 combo and JJ reraises pre flop some % of time. His c/r looks a lot like a draw/33. Even if he calls AJ, you're 51:49 fav. and against an unlikely set you're not too bad off at 33:67. Most likely is he has some type of semibluff and the best possible is KsQs which is 55:45 fav.

I'm not going to go into all the considerations, but you don't want to give a higher spade draw huge implied odds against you here either.

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who anyone disagree with pushing the flop if u can put vilian on an overpair?

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villian does not have an overpair here

this is good DJ obv pretty standard and we should have QQ + here quite a bit I can't see much of anything he can call with, I mean J9 is/was a real possib ility but even THAT might fold and the three makes it so much less likely he's got quads but thats really the only hand that has us beat and can call

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I'm not that crazy over the turn, because I can't imagine villain folding anything here, I think your always getting called and almost always behind and sometimes dead. I mean the only hand he'd play like this and fold is j9

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I can't imagine villain folding anything here

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Really??

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the only hand he'd play like this and fold is j9

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Especially 3 handed, his range for c/ring the flop is far wider than that, and should include at least AJ or so.

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I can't imagine villain folding anything here

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Really??

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the only hand he'd play like this and fold is j9

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Especially 3 handed, his range for c/ring the flop is far wider than that, and should include at least AJ or so.

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Ooops didn't see three handed I'll repost when I'm not playing.

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i would much prefer a flop 3-bet, having just called the flop i'm not crazy about the turn push because you have considerably less equity against jx, which figues to be his most likely hand. given stack i thnik we have enough fe to push, though.

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shove flop all day

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shove flop all day

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shove flop feels not as good here imo

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alright kids, its time for school.

lets take a look at his hand range here:

preflop, i raise 3handed, fish calls, and he overcalls. JJ and up are now out of his range. he's got a hand with potential, but not one big enough to squeeze.

on the flop, he c/r's. relative position would dictate such a move if he wants the fish in the pot, but the fish didn't oblige. so, he likes his hand here at least somewhat, as he'd rarely c/r such a flop out of position with air. we can put him on a set, 2 pair (only J9), maybe a big jack, or a draw of some sort. however, 99 is unlikely because i have a 9 also, JJ is unlikely because he didnt reraise preflop, so if he's got a set its most likely 33. also, many of his possible combo draws are blocked by my holdings, so his draws are going to be 8-9 outers (from his perspective).

3-betting this flop kinda sucks in my opinion, for a few reasons:
1) he won't fold many better hands
2) i'll often end up on the bad side of a 60/40 or worse "coinflip" with a better hand.
3) i've got position and there are still stacks behind, why not take advantage of it?

now the turn comes, pairing the 3, its a great card for me.
1) 33 is that much less likely now, and really theres only 1 combination each of 99 and 33 he could have for a winning boat/quads.
2) it counterfeits J9.

Now, given stack sizes, and the fact that i could easily shove here with AA-QQ, or a boat myself, he's gotta fold almost all of his range. If he makes a big call with AJ or something, well thats alright with me. such calls won't be profitable in the long run, and i still have outs.

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DJ, I think I said all that incoherently earlier, but I'm very glad I'm on the same page as a player of your caliber. I agree with everything, but I think you should mention QT/T8 here. You have the ten of spades, so he can't have a combo draw, but no reason to think he can't have a straight draw. The turn board pair is awful for him, and I just wanted to add it to a list of hands that he's folding.

Also add not only do you have a nine, but it's prob in a squeezing range of him with a fish in between. I play QQ-AA the same too obv. This is a good case of 'i have a monster and there's no way he can call with anything probably not even top two now and if he does he's a douche and i have a won of outs'.

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I think he folds a jack plenty, but I didn't notice the stacks have a little extra depth. I defer to your analysis.

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DJ: Thank you for taking me to school. I used to hate school days [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I'd probably just push the flop.

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Were you planning on pushing just about any non-J turn? If that's the case, then fine/sure/whatever. He'll probably fold and you've got outs if he doesn't. This has the benefit of getting an extra round of betting from whatever hand he's got if he's going to fold.

However, it's 3 handed. He's got to take a stand at some point, and felting AJ here isn't awful if that's what he's got, though clearly the 3 is a great card for you. I think if you call the flop and push the turn with your other monsters as well, that's fine, but the problem is that you're going to get into a lot of situations 3 handed where you get checkraised on the flop, and sometimes you're going to have to 3bet him. As long as you do that occasionally, I think your play here is fine.

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3-betting this flop kinda sucks in my opinion, for a few reasons:
1) he won't fold many better hands

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Of course, because only sets and two pair and KsQs are better hands.

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2) i'll often end up on the bad side of a 60/40 or worse "coinflip" with a better hand.

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I disagree. You're only worse than 60/40 against a set(1x99, 3x33, 3xJJ, but JJ must be discounted) or J9s(2 combos). You're about 50:50 or better against everything else.

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3) i've got position and there are still stacks behind, why not take advantage of it?

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Your implied odds aren't great and you may have terrible reverse implied odds if he has a higher flush draw.

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yeah this looks good (lol overcallers pf trying to get value). this deep, i think waiting until the turn is almost necessary