kk call down superscary flop
 

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BB ($292.80)
Hero ($232.35)
MP ($61.54)
CO ($249.27)
Button ($451.15)
SB ($194.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, CO calls $10, SB folds.

Turn: ($62) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $16</font>, BB calls $16, Hero calls $16.

River: ($110) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $22</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $22.

Final Pot: $154


co:62/3.7/2.1/25 ~300 hands

i dont want to raise here, because i want see the sd without
risking my stack..
im not sure if my line is ok..

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hmmm... fold flop looks fine with 3 oppponents.

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Ewww. Fold flop with KK to a 1/3 pot bet? No way. I think OP's line is good here.

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Ewww. Fold flop with KK to a 1/3 pot bet? No way. I think OP's line is good here.

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we win this showdown approximately never. and the turn/river were about the best two cards we could ask for.

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Ewww. Fold flop with KK to a 1/3 pot bet? No way. I think OP's line is good here.

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we win this showdown approximately never. and the turn/river were about the best two cards we could ask for.

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Wtf are you talking about? We win this showdown approximately usually.

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no draw came in on the river
and i got too good odds to call here

what about raise/fold flop?
the prob is, a combo draw will perhaps go all in and i dont like to call an all in here
i find my line ok, perhaps somebody find a better line

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approximately usually.

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huh

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no draw came in on the river
and i got too good odds to call here

what about raise/fold flop?

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honestly with three people behind i dont like raising. Calling clearly sucks because you give them really good odds.f

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what about raise/fold flop?

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yuk

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no draw came in on the river
and i got too good odds to call here

what about raise/fold flop?

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Super dangerous board OOP vs. 3 villains = passive calldown mode, to me at least, although others may see it differently.

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yuk means yes?

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no draw came in on the river
and i got too good odds to call here

what about raise/fold flop?

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Super dangerous board OOP vs. 3 villains = passive calldown mode, to me at least, although others may see it differently.

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so what do you think we are beating?

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Spade draws, straight draws, 7x, PPs, etc.

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busted draw bluff?
tp with Q cos he begun betting turn?
he must bluff only 1/7 or have Q to make my call profitabel
on the river..

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Spade draws, straight draws, 7x, PPs, etc.

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none of these bet turn.

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Spade draws, straight draws, 7x, PPs, etc.

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none of these bet turn.

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i'm still calling river, btw, given flop-turn line.

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Spade draws, straight draws, 7x, PPs, etc.

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none of these bet turn.

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Plenty of them bet 1/4 pot turn.

This is one of those hands where I think you damage your long-term winrate by overthinking things. KK is a strong hand, and villain could be doing this with lots of stuff. Or be bluffing, or who knows--people do all kinds of crazy stuff at SSNL. I think you just have to grit your teeth and call, and pay him off (a little) if he's slowplaying, b/c the alternative is folding premium hands like KK to measly little 1/3 or 1/4 or 1/7 pot bets.

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yuk means yes?

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yuk means thats about the worst line you could ever take

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ok

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results pls

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CO had A8 with 8 of spades

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CO had A8 with 8 of spades

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OMG MBN 2 NERB!!111!1

nh

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yuk means yes?

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yuk means thats about the worst line you could ever take

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yuk means lots of times he's trying to get it in here with a hand like *TADA* a pair + FD (I was going to say this before i saw results) and you'll get pushed on when instead you can see a safe turn by just calling.

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W/e you do, I would not raise flop. Honestly, I would fold flop b/c its very likely both have pair+draw or alerady made hand, like two pair/flopped straight/low flopped flush, maybe even set. Just fold KK w/ no spades b/c its suicide to call bets on a connected monotone flop vs 2 other opponents, with one betting and one calling behind a bettor and a caller. It is statistically improbably KK on this board that you will win this hand at showdown vs 2 other opponents, and its very possible ur drawing slim to dead.

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Personally, I don't mind folding the flop here.

However, it is a small bet and after you call you get a great turn card. Now, here I like to make a sizable bet ~$40 and you can push out alot of the straight and/or flush draws now that there is only one card to come.

Of course, I would fold to resistance and check any river.

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W/e you do, I would not raise flop. Honestly, I would fold flop b/c its very likely both have pair+draw or alerady made hand, like two pair/flopped straight/low flopped flush, maybe even set.

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Explain why this is "very likely." Especially given the weak bet we're faced with. Are you saying you'd fold to a $5 bet here? How puny of a bet do you have to be faced w/ in this situation to call w/ KK?

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Just fold KK w/ no spades b/c its suicide to call bets on a connected monotone flop vs 2 other opponents, with one betting and one calling behind a bettor and a caller. It is statistically improbably KK on this board that you will win this hand at showdown vs 2 other opponents, and its very possible ur drawing slim to dead.

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This is completely untrue. People are on draws so much of the time here. Those little 1/5 pot bets are usually draw-pricing bets. Anyone folding anywhere in this hand is leaving money on the table, IMO.

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OP played this hand like a champ

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Spade draws, straight draws, 7x, PPs, etc.

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none of these bet turn.

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Lol so wrong. look at the bet size. This is the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or some [censored] saying "please please please let me see river cheap" almost 100% of the time.

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Why didn't you bet the turn after BB checked?

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OP played this hand like a champ

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I disagree. I put in a big turn raise here every time.

Your opponents are playing with the cards face up. Why don't you use that information?

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what about raise/fold flop?

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yuk

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yuk means yes?

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no, yuk means don't do it...no reason to raise here with 3 players...ur getting odds to call so do it, i don't like a raise here...if he's underbetting the pot, so be it, it lets us see a cheap showdown...last 2 cards were great for us...i think we win this most of the time...