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I dont play much limit so I like making sure Im not doing anythign too stupid here. Ok so heres the deal its a 50/100 game in Vancouver last week during the BC championship and Im in BB on a pot that has 4 posters, I decide to call with any 2........is that bad? ok moving on its raised UTG and 7 calls to me I call with 74o.

Flop 7d4d2d I bet UTG raise fold to sb who calls I 3 bet UTG caps sb calls. is the 3 bet spewy or no?

Anywyas turn pairs the 4 I lead UTG raises sb fold I 3 bet UTG calls

River 8x : I bet he calls.

Was this good or did I miss bets or spew the flop or what?

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fold preflop, otherwise standard

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with 7 people in the pot in front of me and Im getting 15 to 1 arent any 2 cards worth seeing a flop in limit poker??

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no

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I don't see anything wrong with the pre-flop call. Played very well post flop.

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you guys are crazy. 74o is complete trash. you shouldn't even complete the small blind with it getting 15 to 1. this is a lot worse.

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is calling getting pflop really that bad stinky?
i see how it might lead to some spewing if you get caught drawing or calling with a mediocre hand, but it seems like calling isnt all that bad to me.

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is calling getting pflop really that bad stinky?

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yes

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this is ridiculous. what do you think is the ev of this "really bad" error?

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this is ridiculous. what do you think is the ev of this "really bad" error?

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about -$15 would be my guess

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Come on... I would call here getting 15-1 closing the action all day.
and at worst it´s a small misstake, like a fraction of a bet...

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at worst it´s a small misstake, like a fraction of a bet...

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lol... of course it's a fraction of a bet, you're only putting in one bet.

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with a fraction of a bet i meant like <0,05 and since this is a rare situation it means that if it is a misstake it´s nothing that will make any impact whatsoever on heros winrate. Thus not worth commenting in really...

If hero goes on to win a huge pot and tables a [censored] hands like this though it could do miracles for his image since it is a live game and all...

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if you're making mistakes like this, you're likely making a lot of other similar mistakes too (see the 76o hand in medium stakes for an example).

i think it's a significantly bigger mistake than 0.05 bets (small or big), but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

and for the most part, you don't want a loose image.

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at worst it´s a small misstake, like a fraction of a bet...

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lol... of course it's a fraction of a bet, you're only putting in one bet.

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this is awesome

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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this is ridiculous. what do you think is the ev of this "really bad" error?

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about -$15 would be my guess

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not if you play well. not close.

James

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james you would call here preflop right? given how many posters there are?

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this is ridiculous. what do you think is the ev of this "really bad" error?

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about -$15 would be my guess

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not if you play well. not close.

James

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show me some numberz

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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jesus this post is full of nothing but yea huh's and nuh uh's, we can have a much better discussion than this

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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the whole bet? what do i win?

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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how often are you drawing dead preflop?

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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the whole bet? what do i win?

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Nothing because you're wrong. The correct answer is more than a whole bet since you may also call a river bet but there is no chance you ever get anything back.

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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how often are you drawing dead preflop?

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How often is a hand -EV even if you could play it for free?

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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how often are you drawing dead preflop?

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How often is a hand -EV even if you could play it for free?

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dude, WTF.

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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the whole bet? what do i win?

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Nothing because you're wrong. The correct answer is more than a whole bet since you may also call a river bet but there is no chance you ever get anything back.

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sometimes i get mad after the hand and go play $500 a hand blackjack. should i factor that in? you're wrong.

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"sometimes i get mad after the hand and go play $500 a hand blackjack. should i factor that in? you're wrong. "

Nice. your'e en fuego!

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I agree. Too bad it's wrong (as a general principle).

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no it ain't

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How much does it cost to call on the turn with AA against KK on a KKQJ board?

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how often are you drawing dead preflop?

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How often is a hand -EV even if you could play it for free?

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almost never. unless you really, really suck at poker.

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sometimes i get mad after the hand and go play $500 a hand blackjack. should i factor that in?

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Obviously. If the call is going to increase the chance of you losing $500 at BJ, then that is still money coming out of your pocket and should be factored into the EV calc. This is all about optimizing wealth. Who cares how unrelated the factors might be? Your bank account doesn't know whether you lost the money on a river call or on a hand of BJ.

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you're wrong.

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No, I'm not. Are you suggesting reverse implied odds shouldn't be factored into your EV calc?

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough. Specifically, you are in the BB holding a bottom 5% hand with a UTG raise and SEVEN cold caller's?! 72o isn't a huge mistake here.

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

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pete, you are calling $50 with 700 already in the pot. You are a crazy person if you think you lose 30 cents on every dollar of immediate ev with 74o. You could easily play this profitably just by playing on with oesd, gutshot to the nuts(calling for 1 bet), 2 pair, or trips. Not to mention the additional ev you gain when you play well and can read hands well enough to play on in other scenarios. Losing 30 cents on a dollar of immediate ev preflop is almost impossible, even moreso getting 14:1.

James

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I post in the CO a lot. Oftentimes I will post in the CO and pick up some trash like 47o. Almost always the hijack raises. I have a simple formula for determining if it correct to call.

1) Do I hate the person that just open raised?

If so, I call. If not, I fold. I'm not bust yet.

Edit: In the hand in question, there are 7 players. It is very likely that you hate one of them or will hate one of them in the session. You must call.

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...but 0.05 bets isn't even a very small mistake.

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I disagree. It wouldn't even be a big mistake if you lost .5 BB's with this call. It just doesn't happen often enough.

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.

i'm not going to have the opportunity to cap 32o on a KQJ9 board after bluff-raising and getting 3-bet very often either. that still doesn't make it a very small mistake.

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You make a valid, articulate argument. We'll just agree to disagree. I believe capping 32o on a KQJ9 board after...blah blah blah is a miniscule mistake compared to 3-betting medium PP's with two overcards on the flop. You'll get the chance to make the mistake in your scenario once a year maybe - when you are extremely intoxicated. But you get the chance to misplay medium PP's perhaps a dozen times per session.

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If so, I call. If not, I fold. I'm not bust yet.

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that's not what schneids tells me

schneids: tongni is BUSTO!
stinkypete: o rly?
schneids: yeah!!
schneids: hot off the presses!!
stinkypete: awesome!
schneids: (10:50:41) Mike Schneider: rumor has it you're busto
(10:50:55) Tongni: thats not a rumor
(10:50:56) Tongni: i just told you

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you can say the same about any situation in poker. justifying making a mistake by saying you're not going to make it often is just stupid. it's still a mistake.


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So far you are the only one saying it's a mistake.

I call here in a heartbeat. 15-1 with huge implied gets me excited because im usually the one laying the price. Nice to have the positive side of a longshot every now and then.

Tuco.

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You make a valid, articulate argument. We'll just agree to disagree. I believe capping 32o on a KQJ9 board after...blah blah blah is a miniscule mistake compared to 3-betting medium PP's with two overcards on the flop. You'll get the chance to make the mistake in your scenario once a year maybe - when you are extremely intoxicated. But you get the chance to misplay medium PP's perhaps a dozen times per session.

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what you don't understand is that a mistake is not the same thing as a leak.