Spewing with ace on board?
 

Hi
This is a 5 handed, 3-6 Absolute game. Villain is 42/20/2.5 after 50 hands, but no further reads.
I open raise in C/O with KJ o, villain calls on button, blinds fold, heads up.

Flop is: AJ7 rainbow
I bet, villain calls

Turn is 4
I check, villain bets, I call

River is 2 ( no flush possible)
I check, villain bets, I call

Did I give him too much action? How should I have played differently?

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1. Check flop. Fold to bet.
2. Chech turn. Fold to bet.
3. Bet turn, 3-bet if raised.
4. Bet turn, fold if raised.
5. Bet turn. Bet river.
6. Bet turn. Check-fold river.
7. Bet turn. Check-call river.
...and so on.

Pust. So many possibilities.
But no 1 is not a bad choice.

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You played this hand perfectly IMO, theres not much else you can do vs this type of player, just get to the showdown cheaply and thats what you did. I wouldve played your hand the exact same way every street.

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Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?

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Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?

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I would check/call the turn here cuz I just dont trust a person with those stats, and I believe these type of players will bet the turn with hands they intended to fold like a gutshot draw, and lastly when the villain has an ace I get to retain the full equity of my draw instead of bet/folding a 5 outer. The river play is closer, but again I would check/call cuz this type of player is probably aggressive enough to value bet a worse hand and bluff with a missed draw. The only excuse these players need to bet is to see someone else check.

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Why did you c/c the turn instead of betting again? Are you worried that if he raises you will fold a better hand?



[/ QUOTE ] Had I bet the turn and been raised, I would have confidently thrown my hand away, but I would have denied myself the chance to catch up on the river and denied my opponent the chance to bluff off his chips with a nothing hand.

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I really like how you played this.

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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.

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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.



[/ QUOTE ] If villain plays correctly by taking a free card when he has the worse hand and charging me when he has the best hand, then my play was clearly incorrect. My assumption is that typical villain will seize on a chance to bluff, thus charging himself to play.

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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.

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It allows him to play correctly, but it also allows him to play incorrectly. (betting a gutshot)

It depends how much credit we give villain and how he percieves us.
If certain people checked this turn, id check behind with a gutshot. If other people checked this turn, id bet with a gutshot.

A lot of tricky play syndrome players use this turn to screwplay. Also a lot of players go into "check-call mode" when they check the turn.

Someone with these stats I think wouldn't perceive your play correclty and by checking , he will most likely make the mistake of betting. If we bet, he may have folded correctly.

I like the posters line.
I think I dont check/call turns enough.

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well it becomes read depenedent. if you have a solid read that villain bets any time checked to, then its a good play, w/o the read I think its -ev.

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1. Check flop. Fold to bet.
2. Chech turn. Fold to bet.
3. Bet turn, 3-bet if raised.
4. Bet turn, fold if raised.
5. Bet turn. Bet river.
6. Bet turn. Check-fold river.
7. Bet turn. Check-call river.
...and so on.

Pust. So many possibilities.
But no 1 is not a bad choice.


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What's the point of raising if we're just gonna be check-folding every flop where we don't have the nuts? Are you seriously this weak-tight?

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checking the turn also lets villain play correctly, taking a free card when drawing, checking with a worse hand, etc. I'd much rather bet & get raised and decide what to do than offer villain the chance to play good by my poor play.

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Ive always hated that argument wackjob, I dont play with people who play correctly. Thats not how I make money at poker. The reason why I advocate checking and calling this turn is precisely becuz I believe this guy wont play correctly.

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I play it the same vs an agressive villain.

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1. Check flop. Fold to bet.
2. Chech turn. Fold to bet.
3. Bet turn, 3-bet if raised.
4. Bet turn, fold if raised.
5. Bet turn. Bet river.
6. Bet turn. Check-fold river.
7. Bet turn. Check-call river.
...and so on.

Pust. So many possibilities.
But no 1 is not a bad choice.


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What's the point of raising if we're just gonna be check-folding every flop where we don't have the nuts? Are you seriously this weak-tight?

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You raise co, button call.
What did he call with?

You flop second pair with A on board.
The pot is small.

So you have many different choices when you proceed.
I might play this even with a reraise at all streets if my read say me to do it.

Normaly, a flat call from button preflop indicate power. To give it up right there is not a bad play if your read dont tell you anything else.

If I play weak-tight?
Ask my opponents, you have a bunch of them in this forum.
To be weak-tight are many times the right play.

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Is he only going to call preflop with an Ace? [Villain is 42/20/2.5] i don't think so.
If he is not, then the Ace might scare him, so BET the flop. He could have ATC.

Edit: OP I like how you played it.

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Hi
This is a 5 handed, 3-6 Absolute game. Villain is 42/20/2.5 after 50 hands

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42/20 guys don't coldcall with powerful hands, they reraise. If his coldcall indicates anything it's that he has a hand like JTs, or a low PP. Also, what kind of a read are you talking about where you would reraise every street in this hand?

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Is he only going to call preflop with an Ace? [Villain is 42/20/2.5] i don't think so.
If he is not, then the Ace might scare him, so BET the flop. He could have ATC.

Edit: OP I like how you played it.

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Oh, well...no...
But out of position in holdem is a very unpleasant history. Often you will save money to lean against folding.

Usually you have been playing with your opponent some times before so you know more precisely what to do; his impression of you is quite important. If he think you are weak-tight; maybe you have been folding recently to raises and so on. Then he might want to take a shot on you. In that case, check-call him down is a good play. But with out any particular reads, to play this hand weak is not a bad idea.

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Also, what kind of a read are you talking about where you would reraise every street in this hand?

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That is an easy answer. If I think he have targeted me, then I will punish him. Poker is not a technical game. It is a game of reads, instincts and intuition - especially shorthanded.