JJ river donk against TAGy
 

29/21/1.7 over 117. In a previous hand I 3 bet heads up from the BB PF, flop came AKx, he called flop and turn and raise/folded a blank looking river.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

River: (10.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero???

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

what hand are you hoping to see?

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

AQs or a worse pocket pair one time in 12? It is a perfect card to bluff if he made it here with those..

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

I call.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

hm...given the pf and flop action his AK might as well be face up, imo. the only other hand that might cap preflop 3 handed, lead the flop, and not 3bet the flop is TT...?

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

I'd call, but I'm not sure we see bluff here often enough to justify this.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

you're never winning here.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

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In a previous hand I 3 bet heads up from the BB PF, flop came AKx, he called flop and turn and raise/folded a blank looking river.


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This is enough for me to call this river.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

If he's bluff-raising rivers, I call for sure. Even if he's not, JJ is worth a call.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

What can he have besides AK?

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

i want to call everytime here, but i cant see a hand he caps and calls down here that you're beating, as TT is raising somewhere b4, maybe AQd, but doesnt seem likely, so i really really want to fold, dont know if i would though [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

Sounds like this guy can be tricky. Worth a call I think. Pot is 11BB.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

If the guy wasn't tricky you should just lay this down. I would call this for my own sake though and hate the river one more time.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

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you're never winning here.

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He has AK and is correctly value betting - fold

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

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you're never winning here.

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He has AK and is correctly value betting - fold

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I disagree with a river fold. This guy may have a hand like 88,99,TT and figured that hes got a calling hand anywyas might as well bet the scare card. Or he could have a hand like AdQd and is just trying to make a play. I agree the hero's hand sux once the villain bets the river cuz most of the time it will be AK, but I wouldnt fold. Getting 11-1 this is a very easy/profitable crying call IMO.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

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I disagree with a river fold. This guy may have a hand like 88,99,TT and figured that hes got a calling hand anywyas might as well bet the scare card. Or he could have a hand like AdQd and is just trying to make a play. I agree the hero's hand sux once the villain bets the river cuz most of the time it will be AK, but I wouldnt fold."

exactly what I was thinking, crying call time.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

if you look at last hand + pot size I'm pretty sure this is an easy call.

Re: JJ river donk against TAGy
 

11:1 odds; Say he makes this move 11 times, do you think at least once he will have AQ or possibly worse?

I think so.