A8s: i feel like a calling station fish
 

CO is HUGE fish. (clicky) 85/45/3.5 85 hands

OTB is AJmargarine

UTG+1 is 20/15/3.5 tag

Easy call pf. I don't squeeze because CO WILL call always, and my hand is not good enough for that.

I'm unsure about flop. Gave myself 4-7 outs and implied odds.

Can't fold turn obv. I think he always calls a push, so i just call.

River push? <psb

Villain's range narrows w/ each street. He can't have AK, esp. since i know he doesn't have the FD. AQ? KK? JJ? He'd have river pushed a set, right? so no QQ or the smaller ones.

Help me put villain on a hand range plz, and tell me where i goofed, if at all.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $177.75
UTG+1: $305
CO: $670.25
Button: $635.25
keikiwai: $262.40
BB: $200

Pre-flop: (6 players) keikiwai is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $7</font>, CO calls, Button calls, keikiwai calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($30, 4 players)
keikiwai checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $22</font>, CO calls, Button calls, keikiwai calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($118, 4 players)
keikiwai checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $80</font>, 2 folds, keikiwai calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($278, 2 players)
keikiwai checks, UTG+1 checks.

Re: A8s: i feel like a calling station fish
 

i really didn't like the button call, you are oop and it's hard to get paid off even if you have the outs and the implied odds, (of which i don't think you have much of either..)

for the same reason, i don't like PF call, you are calling for trips value and flush value? i don't see how youa re gonna get paid off easily OOP, but the hand you shown may be able to justify it...

river and turn is fine IMO, but i really don't like that float OOP on the flop, i don't think that's awinning play,

i may have missed something, feel free to correct me

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i really didn't like the button call


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what do you mean by button call?


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i really don't like that float OOP on the flop

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yeah, this is the street i most question..... but I'm closing action w/ 4 probably clean outs... if I hit, I only need to make slightly less than a psb ($102) to justify me call.... w/ 3 other full stacks in the pot this isn't a pipe-dream...

i was slightly unsure of pf, but the fish in the pot pushed me over the edge to call.

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i really didn't like the button call


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what do you mean by button call?

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LOL i really mean PF call, wtf am i doing? it's 5 am, forgive me lol

the reason i don't think your flop call is good is because you are playing NL200, i dont think people are that stupid where if the board 4 straights and a guy who's been calling all of a sudden bets, i don't think even a player as bad as the fish will pay you off here.. but if your read is differrent, then it makes the flop call justified.. but i still wouldn't do it, what if someone is floating with 89??
there just too many people in the pot at this point for me to draw to the possible split..

hope this makes sense.. i'm not gonna proof read it, sorry lol

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i really didn't like the button call


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what do you mean by button call?

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LOL i really mean PF call, wtf am i doing? it's 5 am, forgive me lol

the reason i don't think your flop call is good is because you are playing NL200, i dont think people are that stupid where if the board 4 straights and a guy who's been calling all of a sudden bets, i don't think even a player as bad as the fish will pay you off here.. but if your read is differrent, then it makes the flop call justified.. but i still wouldn't do it, what if someone is floating with 89??
there just too many people in the pot at this point for me to draw to the possible split..

hope this makes sense.. i'm not gonna proof read it, sorry lol

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it makes sense... and this is exactly why i felt like a fish... my brain told me to fold on the flop, but my finger hit call because i was closing the action

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dont like the flop call

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I would definitely fold that flop.

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Fold PF and fold the flop. Flushdraws are played much better and more profitable IP.

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I dont like preflop and hate the flop call.

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Just fold on the flop, with two callers already, your 8 is probably no good if you hit, there's every chance the A will be no good, and the straight is blatantly obvious when it hits.

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PREFLOP:
The preflop call seems ok to me. While you are out of position, you have a 'huge fish' with a huge stack that you should be able to take should you be fortunate enough to nail the flop.

FLOP:
As I said above, should you nail the flop, your $7 investment is well worth the call. However, you did not hit the flop. You have a gutshot and a draw at a draw. That is, you are drawing hoping that you have a draw. Fold the flop.

TURN: At this point, you are priced in with 12-15 outs. So, whats that...like 2.5-1 dog or so? If you have no fold equity, as you seem to feel, then just calling $80 to win $192 is already pretty close to good, as long as you feel you can pick up the difference ina value bet should you hit.

RIVER: Well, you hit (or did you?). With the amount behind, and the fact that he seems scared of the A, and the fact that your impression of him is that he is a fish, and thus is probably pretty straight forward, his check probably indicates fear o' the Ace. Judging from your description (especially his 3.5 PFR) I am thinking he is sitting on KK, which would fit all streets. Fire a $100 value bet out there and hope he cant lay down those cowboys.

jw

Re: A8s: i feel like a calling station fish
 

preflop with a suited ace getting like 3.5:1 possibly 4:1 if BB comes along and one big fish already in the pot is a proposition too good to give up. Flop is obviously bad since you are not drawing to the nuts and your hand is very transperent once you start betting when you hit.
Turn is fine, River I would bet against some people and check against others, depends on how good of a hand this guy needs to bet the flop and turn.

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Fold preflop and fold the flop. Shove the river