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Shortcorner

11-13-2006 09:47 AM

Floating

I've seen "floating" used as a definition quite a bit in this forum. Would somebody mind outlining a brief definition.

Best Regards
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DanJ.

11-13-2006 09:50 AM

Re: Floating

call preflop in position, then call flop bet in position, then bet turn when checked to.

Shortcorner

11-13-2006 09:54 AM

Re: Floating

Thanks Dan,

Is this a complicated steal move or done with big PP/hand?

Kilillan

11-13-2006 09:55 AM

Re: Floating

It's more just calling the flop with the intention to bluff any turn

and it's a bluff

DanJ.

11-13-2006 09:57 AM

Re: Floating

more of a steal move against Tags who like to cbet then give up.

snakekilla88

11-13-2006 10:01 AM

Re: Floating

just to pick off c/bs. learning when to fire 2nd barrel and sometimes 3rd barrel to combat folding is an art.

Shortcorner

11-13-2006 10:30 AM

Re: Floating

Thanks!

snakekilla88

11-13-2006 10:46 AM

Re: Floating

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just to pick off c/bs. learning when to fire 2nd barrel and sometimes 3rd barrel to combat floating is an art.

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King Spew

11-13-2006 10:54 AM

Re: Floating

Is it floating when you are OOP and call villain's CBet, then lead the turn? I didn't think floating was "only" when in position.

creative

11-13-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Floating

what they said

deaders

11-13-2006 11:11 AM

Re: Floating

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100.50)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($10)
UTG ($50.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

But it isnt good without a read or having a feel for how your opponent plays.

Freelancer

11-13-2006 11:37 AM

Re: Floating

This is something that falls in the area off; If you mess up your lighting money on fire. So carefull with how liberately you use it.

OHFreak

11-13-2006 12:53 PM

Re: Floating

Throw this in the bag with 3-betting light and ye olde squeeze play. Definitely dangerous to go at these w/o r33dz.

mudbuddha

11-13-2006 12:57 PM

Re: Floating

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call preflop in position, then call flop bet in position, then bet turn when checked to.

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is this true??

Freelancer

11-13-2006 01:04 PM

Re: Floating

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call preflop in position, then call flop bet in position, then bet turn when checked to.

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is this true??

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This definition is decent, although it misses a few other 'floats'. For instance if villain bets on the flop, weak turn bet and you raise with air (or gutshots and the like). Or the NOT recommended OOP float.

They all work on the principle of calling in a earlier to street to bluff at the pot on a later street.

thefoosball

11-13-2006 01:29 PM

Re: Floating

is floating the same as delayed bluff in nlthp? this is good in limit too.

Freelancer

11-13-2006 01:35 PM

Re: Floating

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is floating the same as delayed bluff in nlthp? this is good in limit too.

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I never got around to reading nlthp (or any other poker book) so I honestly have no idea.

bueno09

11-13-2006 01:50 PM

Re: Floating

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is floating the same as delayed bluff in nlthp? this is good in limit too.

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Yeah, it is the same thing.
The main advantage of the float is that against predictable opponents it is a bluff much more accurate than raising their cbets, since they always give up in the turn if they have nothing, but wwhen you raise their cbets you are just hoping he has air.

Again, it works only against predictable opponents, good opponents will 2nd barrel you and checkraise your float sometimes.

forshure

11-13-2006 02:01 PM

Re: Floating

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100.50)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($10)
UTG ($50.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

But it isnt good without a read or having a feel for how your opponent plays.

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You had the best hand.

Freelancer

11-13-2006 02:12 PM

Re: Floating

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100.50)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($10)
UTG ($50.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

But it isnt good without a read or having a feel for how your opponent plays.

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You had the best hand.

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ABC Tags will fold PP's <99 (minus 22/66 obviously) here as well, the same goes for AK.

Kilillan

11-13-2006 02:29 PM

Re: Floating

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100.50)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($10)
UTG ($50.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

But it isnt good without a read or having a feel for how your opponent plays.

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You had the best hand.

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ABC Tags will fold PP's <99 (minus 22/66 obviously) here as well, the same goes for AK.

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a decent tag probably wouldn't fold 77-88 on that board actually

then again decent tags don't play .25/.50

Freelancer

11-13-2006 02:32 PM

Re: Floating

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100.50)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($10)
UTG ($50.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $17.75

But it isnt good without a read or having a feel for how your opponent plays.

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You had the best hand.

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ABC Tags will fold PP's <99 (minus 22/66 obviously) here as well, the same goes for AK.

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a decent tag probably wouldn't fold 77-88 on that board actually

then again decent tags don't play .25/.50

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I said ABC tag, capable of playing tight and agressive (rarely getting out of line) but a bad hand reader and they do fold 77/88. Although I guess this is arguing about my definition of a ABC tag.

74o_Clownsuit

11-13-2006 02:32 PM

Re: Floating

I like to sometimes float the flop in position with some sort of draw (like a gutshot) if I know villian to be weak and check the turn a lot.

Freelancer

11-13-2006 02:43 PM

Re: Floating

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I like to sometimes float the flop in position with some sort of draw (like a gutshot) if I know villian to be weak and check the turn a lot.

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What do you think of my definition of:
Calling in a early street and planning to steal the pot on a later street.

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