AA on 4card straight board
 

Villain is 39/11/.6 over 70 hands

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BB ($72.65)
Hero ($108.80)
UTG+1 ($62.50)
MP1 ($67.65)
MP2 ($136.60)
CO ($100)
Button ($78.10)
SB ($6.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG+1 calls $8.

Turn: ($25.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, UTG+1 calls $20.

River: ($65.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero???

Villain only has approximately 31 dollars left at this point. Are we check folding/check calling/shoving? If so, why?

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

I'm shoving here, the only hand I can imagine that got there on the river is 89s and its hard to imagine that he gets this far. Its possible he has a set/two pair here that he might fold.

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

He's not folding a set or two pair here. He could have a set, or a pocket pair like Ts or Js, or A9. How loose is he calling raises pre-flop? If he's very loose then hands like 8T and 68 aren't out of the question, particularly suited.

I'd probably just check-call. He's played this like a draw, so if he has a hand you beat, let him bluff it at you.

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

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He's not folding a set or two pair here. He could have a set, or a pocket pair like Ts or Js, or A9. How loose is he calling raises pre-flop? If he's very loose then hands like 8T and 68 aren't out of the question, particularly suited.

I'd probably just check-call. He's played this like a draw, so if he has a hand you beat, let him bluff it at you.

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I'm not really into full ring so I'm not really the player to comment. At 6-max I always have a 'crazy' image from a lot of donkeys viewpoint so I can do things like this and get called by a overpair to the board (err yeah this has happened multiple times, not sure what villain was thinking).

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

I think any sort of SEMITHINKINGCAPABLE opponent realizes that there's almost no way we could possibly hold an 8 here.

No draw really missed except for the TJ gutshot which i completely rule out. So the chances that he bluffs when we check to him are very minimal.

I would like to think that we would have heard something from a set/2 pair by now.

One pair is still possible (9T/9J and the likes).

Given all that I'm still clueless as to what to do. Does anyone actually check fold here for only 30 more dollars? or do we check call?

Does anyone think shoving here is a good idea? We might get called by overpairs/one pair hands that were content with checking the river...and if we were going to check call anyway...the only hand that we're folding out are bluffs (which I have already ruled out)

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He's played this like a draw, so if he has a hand you beat, let him bluff it at you.

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What draw do you think he has?

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

Any possible draw got there on the river. So a missed draw is pretty much impossible (unless you count gutshots).

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

shove on him.

True

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

too many draws on the flop hit...so i check/call only because he has no money left...but why are we discounting J10 here, if we are??

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too many draws on the flop hit...so i check/call only because he has no money left...but why are we discounting J10 here, if we are??

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Because he would need to call 2 streets with overcards+gutshot in a raised pot?

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

shove, expect to see 1010 or JJ.

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

all draws got there which is why there's no point in check/calling imo. i was just wondering if shove was the correct move.

i started running bad and started doubting my play [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]...typical

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all draws got there which is why there's no point in check/calling imo. i was just wondering if shove was the correct move.

i started running bad and started doubting my play [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]...typical

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Embrace the variance !! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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all draws got there which is why there's no point in check/calling imo.

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What draws are all of you people seeing?

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all draws got there which is why there's no point in check/calling imo.

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What draws are all of you people seeing?

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People where saying that all the draws missed. My response was that all the possible draws actually hit (8T/68) although there unlikely. I probably didn't make this clear.

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all draws got there which is why there's no point in check/calling imo.

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What draws are all of you people seeing?

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People where saying that all the draws missed. My response was that all the possible draws actually hit (8T/68) although there unlikely. I probably didn't make this clear.

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If he's calling down my flop and turn bets with T8 or he calls preflop and flop with 68 then more power to him - he gets to double through.

TT-KK is way more likely - we have 1/2 PSB left on the river - shove - it's not close.

That flop is about as dry as they come.

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Villain is 39/11/.6 over 70 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($72.65)
Hero ($108.80)
UTG+1 ($62.50)
MP1 ($67.65)
MP2 ($136.60)
CO ($100)
Button ($78.10)
SB ($6.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG+1 calls $8.

Turn: ($25.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, UTG+1 calls $20.

River: ($65.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero???

Villain only has approximately 31 dollars left at this point. Are we check folding/check calling/shoving? If so, why?

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So here we have UTG+1 with an aggression factor less than one and $62 left. You're playing full ring against him. It's entirely possible that he is slow playing 1010-QQ in, so factor that in. You don't know how these guys plays, he may be afraid that you have AA and just can't get rid of these cards. Don't ask me why.

He may have A9 here. Or J9s, 109s. Weirdly played hands by a guy who's on tilt, passive, thinks you're full of it.

Everything else got there. I wouldn't say this is a "read dependent" hand at this point. 33BB and you've already committed yourself. So bet because many hands you do beat will call you but may check behind if you don't.

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

Because villain is so passive (by his stats), I say pushing or check/folding are the only options. He's not going to push when checked to with anything you beat.

Re: AA on 4card straight board
 

Shoved and he showed 88. It's ok though I'm happy with my play [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]