Excessive force? Or the bastard deserved it?
 

This man was "arrested on suspicion of using violence or threats to prevent an officer from performing his duty and was charged with two counts of resisting arrest". I don't know what that means but it sounds like a loud mouthed protester.

Full story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-ex-beating110906,0,2761547.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Video of cops beating dude while he's saying "i can't breath":
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GVW5_PJHzR4

Yes this is a serious question as the comments seem to be pretty split on other news sources.

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WTF? Isn't that why they have pepper spray? I'm not an expert on police procedure, but I don't think pounding the dude in the face is standard.

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If I think "overzealous protester" when watching this, I don't like it.

If I think "dude took a swing at a police" when watching, I enjoy it.

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i would love to get a few people, hold the cop down like hes a 10yr old getting a spanking, and give him a few (cum)shots to the face to see how he likes it

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the clip is a bit short and out of context, but i will say this...

If you can say "I can't breath..."...YOU CAN BREATH

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What we see there doesn't look good. I would really like to see the rest of the video.

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Based on the video, this is way too excessive. There are other ways to get someone to comply rather than putting a knee to his throat and punching him in the face. All the officer had to do was stand up, pull up on the guy's arm and drag him to make him go onto his stomach.

We don't know what happened before that, but in the article it says, "There is no denying that the video is disturbing," Bratton said. "But as to whether the actions of the officers were appropriate in light of what they were experiencing, and the totality of the circumstances, is what the investigation will determine."

and that is what is really the truth. The "totality of the circumstances" is the key word.

However, this is pretty excessive to any means. There are a lot more ways to make this guy comply.

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What we see there doesn't look good. I would really like to see the rest of the video.

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Agreed. I'd like to see what happened before two police were trying to get this person under control.

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about 99.9% of police brutality videos I have seen, 1 thing they all have in common. When they try to put the cuffs on the badguy, THEY ALWAYS RESIST!

seriously, what is so difficult with letting the cops handcuff you? why do people not understand that when a man struggles to keep his hands from being handcuffed by a cop, he is not complying?? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT??

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What we see there doesn't look good. I would really like to see the rest of the video.

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Agreed. I'd like to see what happened before two police were trying to get this person under control.

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I hope you guys realize that the villians wrists were right next to each other. Instead of cuffing him right then and there the cop decided to punch him in the face. I dunno about you guys but I really don't see how that's defendable.

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I hope you guys realize that the villians wrists were right next to each other. Instead of cuffing him right then and there the cop decided to punch him in the face. I dunno about you guys but I really don't see how that's defendable.

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They weren't going to cuff his hands in front.

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What we see there doesn't look good. I would really like to see the rest of the video.

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Agreed. I'd like to see what happened before two police were trying to get this person under control.

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I hope you guys realize that the villians wrists were right next to each other. Instead of cuffing him right then and there the cop decided to punch him in the face. I dunno about you guys but I really don't see how that's defendable.

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What if he kicked one of the cops in the nuts real hard right before they knocked him down?

I would like to say that there might be a lot more context to the situation that might have led the cops to do this OTHER than resisting arrest (like him beating a little kid in the face or something) but the report says that all they charged him with was resisting arrest so...

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I hope you guys realize that the villians wrists were right next to each other. Instead of cuffing him right then and there the cop decided to punch him in the face. I dunno about you guys but I really don't see how that's defendable.

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They weren't going to cuff his hands in front.

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Why not? Even if it's only temporary. The man is pinned down and he has a knee in his neck. Put the handcuffs on till he calms down and give him a 1/2" more room to breath.

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We're not seeing the whole video. As was mentioned in the article

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The tape was photographed by an unnamed neighbor who gave it to B. Kwaku Duren, a lawyer who represents Cardenas.

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So, I'm willing to bet that just this segment of the video was released because it only contains a scene that would be damaging to the cops and make his client look good.

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The incident began when the officers spotted Cardenas, a Gordon Street gang member wanted on a felony warrant for stolen goods, and he fled, police said. During the subsequent arrest, a struggle ensued and the officers reported that they used force to subdue the suspect.

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So, gang member wanted on a felony flees police.

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It looks excessive, but I'm sure he deserved it.

Can't tell definitively one way or the other without knowing context. But jacking that dude in the head, while satisfying, was probably unnecessary.

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Attorney B. Kwaku Duren (also Chair, New Black Panther Vanguard Movement)

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Well, that makes the story more interesting.

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So does that. This guy ran for Congress, too.

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There's zero reason for a cop to ever do this, I don't care what happened before. It's not making the guy any easier to deal withk, quite the opposite.

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I hope you guys realize that the villians wrists were right next to each other. Instead of cuffing him right then and there the cop decided to punch him in the face. I dunno about you guys but I really don't see how that's defendable.

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They weren't going to cuff his hands in front.

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Why not? Even if it's only temporary. The man is pinned down and he has a knee in his neck. Put the handcuffs on till he calms down and give him a 1/2" more room to breath.

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This is correct. It doesn't matter how you get the handcuffs on, as long as you do to restrict his movement. You can always fix the cuffs later.

However, as I said before, there are easy ways to get the guy on his stomach. With 2 officers, they should have been able to do it easily even if the guy was fighting.

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about 99.9% of police brutality videos I have seen, 1 thing they all have in common. When they try to put the cuffs on the badguy, THEY ALWAYS RESIST!

seriously, what is so difficult with letting the cops handcuff you? why do people not understand that when a man struggles to keep his hands from being handcuffed by a cop, he is not complying?? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT??

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Perhaps they know that a couple good shots, coupled with a talented lawyer, could get them six figures.

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It looks excessive, but I'm sure he deserved it.

Can't tell definitively one way or the other without knowing context. But jacking that dude in the head, while satisfying, was probably unnecessary.

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so you are sure that he deserved it but you don't know definitely?

and no, he didn't deserve it, regardless of what he did.

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Cops aren't supposed to deal out punishment because someone "deserve it". They are supposed to arrest people, who can then be put on triel, and their ponishment can be decided.

The knee to the throat seems to be a pretty stupid thing to do to keep someone at the ground, but i suppose that it is possible that it was the easiest way to keep him at the ground.

Going from holding his hands, to hitting him in the head seems mindnumbingly stupid. I fail to see how it can serve any other purpose than inflicting pain on the guy lying down. Actually it will propably make him resist even harder.

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Has anyone ever successfully resisted being arrested, and maybe we just never hear about those incidents? It seems like resisting arrest is about as futile as attacking tanks on horseback. Much better would be to figure out some way to escape afterward, methinks. At least that's possible.

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about 99.9% of police brutality videos I have seen, 1 thing they all have in common. When they try to put the cuffs on the badguy, THEY ALWAYS RESIST!

seriously, what is so difficult with letting the cops handcuff you? why do people not understand that when a man struggles to keep his hands from being handcuffed by a cop, he is not complying?? WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT??

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Perhaps they know that a couple good shots, coupled with a talented lawyer, could get them six figures.

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exactly what i was thinking, well actually i was thinking that if it were me getting the beat down... each time i got punched in the face, "sweet 10k, another 10k, another 10k, dude maybe i can settle for like 100k..."

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Has anyone ever successfully resisted being arrested, and maybe we just never hear about those incidents? It seems like resisting arrest is about as futile as attacking tanks on horseback. Much better would be to figure out some way to escape afterward, methinks. At least that's possible.

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Resisting arrest? Nope. But I'm like 6-0 from getting away from them on foot after they've told me to stop.

Once I was handcuffed and forced to sit down while they were searching my buddy's house and he was bound as well. Once it was decided he was going to jail, he asked if he could have a quick smoke. THEY'RE DUMB ENOUGH TO TAKE HIS CUFFS OFF. He pushed the nearest cop down and ran out the front door and got away.

Me and his lil bro who was also handcuffed on the couch started laughing our asses off in shock, and instead of trying to chase him down (there were only two cops left at the scene) they just yelled at us for 30 minutes and threatened to take us to jail.

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Has anyone ever successfully resisted being arrested, and maybe we just never hear about those incidents? It seems like resisting arrest is about as futile as attacking tanks on horseback. Much better would be to figure out some way to escape afterward, methinks. At least that's possible.

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Resisting arrest? Nope. But I'm like 6-0 from getting away from them on foot after they've told me to stop.

Once I was handcuffed and forced to sit down while they were searching my buddy's house and he was bound as well. Once it was decided he was going to jail, he asked if he could have a quick smoke. THEY'RE DUMB ENOUGH TO TAKE HIS CUFFS OFF. He pushed the nearest cop down and ran out the front door and got away.

Me and his lil bro who was also handcuffed on the couch started laughing our asses off in shock, and instead of trying to chase him down (there were only two cops left at the scene) they just yelled at us for 30 minutes and threatened to take us to jail.

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awesome

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If you can say "I can't breathe..."...YOU CAN BREATHE

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first thing I thought of.

Cops shouldn't be punching the guy when he's down like that, even if he is an ass.

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It looks excessive, but I'm sure he deserved it.

Can't tell definitively one way or the other without knowing context. But jacking that dude in the head, while satisfying, was probably unnecessary.

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so you are sure that he deserved it but you don't know definitely?

and no, he didn't deserve it, regardless of what he did.

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Don't be a nit. "I'm sure he deserved it" is a figure of speech and is used loosely.

If you say "man, that lady there looks like a bitch" and somebody goes "yeah I'm sure she is," do you sit there and quarrel with the person because s/he doesn't know with 100% accuracy what the lady's personality is like?

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I enjoyed it.

Exactly how long are they suppose to sit there and struggle with this guy? Gimme a break.

Does it look bad? Yes.

Do I feel an ounce of sympathy? Nope.

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They don't even show the whole video. All they only show the 20 seconds where the cop is beating the dude. It was probably another Rodney King wannabe who deserved it. He was probably being a f-in smartass and resisting arrest and he got what he deserved. I have no sympathy at all for these people. We give the cops the power, so let them do there jobs.

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They don't even show the whole video. All they only show the 20 seconds where the cop is beating the dude. It was probably another Rodney King wannabe who deserved it. He was probably being a f-in smartass and resisting arrest and he got what he deserved. I have no sympathy at all for these people. We give the cops the power, so let them do there jobs.

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absolutely no call for that under any circumstances. i have restrained kids that size before with one or two helpers, or solo. there are just much better ways to do it. plus these guys are allowed to use pepper spray and tasers.

in actual practice the pain the kid went through is probably LESS than getting sprayed or tasered but it looks terrible and it makes the job harder for other, more competent cops.

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We give the cops the power, so let them do there jobs.

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in actual practice the pain the kid went through is probably LESS than getting sprayed or tasered but it looks terrible and it makes the job harder for other, more competent cops.

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Yeah this the problem that most of yall dont seem to understand. This sort of behavior doesnt make people fear the cops or behave better, it makes them hate the cops and trust them less and more likely to run/resist.

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Pathetic

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It's OK, as most of the people with that attitude don't know the difference between "they're","there", and "their" anyhow.

I'm actually wondering if people who misuse "there" like that originally wrote "them there", and killed the "them" in a failed attempt to sound more educated.

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Here's what I think happened. None of the responses in this thread mention what I'm about to say. Read this, then go back and look at the video again.

Suspect is whining, "I can't breath." Then he stops whining. Then he gets tuned up.

Here's what I think happened: I think he bit the officer in the leg. And the officer didn't like being bitten.

The officer's body language changes dramatically in an instant. You hear "Let go!", and it doesn't sound like the suspect's voice. I think he had a mouthful of bacon (sorry, couldn't resist the metaphor), and he's lucky the punching stopped when he stopped biting.

Anybody think I'm onto something here?

EDIT: I just watched it again. At the end, the cop is saying "Let go of me," while the suspect isn't using his hands. I'm convinced there was biting going on there.

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How much $ is he going to get?

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"He was probably being a f-in smartass and resisting arrest and he got what he deserved."

Can someone confirm if being a smartass makes it OK for cops to violate your civil rights? Thanks.

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there isnt a single situation where what the cop did was ok, dont play the, i want to see the rest of the video card. He could have just raped the dudes wife and thats still not proper protocol. The dude is on the ground under control, punching to the face just seems like you might be a retarded cop and have no control of your emotions.