Can I call these two bets?
 

I was playing live 300max 1/2 the villain is a good regular player, and the other player is marginal at best.

To start i am in the big blind, the villain UTG calls before he sees his cards, other player UTG+1 calls, MP, LP, SB and myself the BB calls. I have A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

so Pot = $12
Flop 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I check, Villain bets $15, the other player calls, i minraise to 30. Both call

Pot= $102
Turn is 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check, the villain moves all in, the other player immediately calls. The villain has $98 more to call the other player has a little less than that. Can i call here with two all ins before me. Plus i have about $112 left in front of me on the turn?

Any comments, anything positive or negative is fine.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Turn is an easy call. The flop minraise sucks hard.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

tough spot. Any reads on them? Are they aggro? Dumb? etc..

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

The villain plays the player, very good at reading information and making moves from there, the other player is marginal, and has not been winning at all. Very weak opponent

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

I think you have to call. It can't see a boat leading like this. If villain does have it (and I guessing he does cause your posting) good look to him.

I think min raise is ok btw.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

The minraise is horrible.

Call the turn.

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why is it so horrible, he has the nuts and is up against a moron who he wants in the pot.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Hince, what size bet is of your taste here? At the time my table image was very loose but have not shown down a bluff all night if you want to take that into consideration

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

make it at least 50.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Are you saying villian announced he was calling the BB "blind", or did you just notice that he didn't look at his cards?

Also, you said the villian moves all-in, but somehow has $98 left. How does that work?

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

How did he go from being "marginal" to being a moron?

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Couple of "minraise sux" comments have been challenged here.

The main issue is that "villain is a good regular player". Making this bet with the nuts will give him info about you he can profitably use in the future. Min raise=nuts.

You may say that you also do this with TPTK, a set, air to mix it up and disguise your min raises with the nuts. Hopefully you know why minraising is a bad idea in these spots. You offer good odds to draws and/or don't maximise your fold equity is the short version.
What this means for making a minraise with the nuts is simply that you can't do it and ever mix up your play with min raises without giving away too much. Either you are making frequent exploitable plays or infrequent very readable ones.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Would you adovacte calling. I would want a K high flush to get there.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

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Would you adovacte calling. I would want a K high flush to get there.

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I either lead the flop going for a bet/3bet or if CRing I make it around 60. The nut flush is a real nice hand but I want the money in now while I can get it. The turn can bring a lot of cards that will either kill my action from a set/2 pair( a diamond) or slow me down (pairing the board), both players have shown willing to put money into this pot so I think at least one has a high diamond, if not a lower flush.

I know we often think about slow playing when we have the nuts but a flush is just too hard to extract with against anything but a lower flush or a set, either of which will play now on the flop but may be scared away by cards yet to come.

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Skuzzy you bring up great points and to everyone about why I minraised is that I almost froze up and gave away my hand and was talkin at the table. So i just grabbed enough to raise b/c i didnt want to stop talkin and show my strength. It was a bad play on my part. Thanks for the comments guy, good stuff, positive or negative i appreciate everything

Results
 

After 2 minutes of contemplating a call, I called the all-ins, because there was something that the villain said to me that triggered a previous hand with him in it. I dont remember what was said, but it was enough to make the call.

Villain shows QcQd
Other Player just mucked
The River was 9d

Now the villain blind called preflop so therefore he never knew he had QQ until the the flop hit and he looked at his cards

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

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The flop minraise sucks hard.

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i don't play live, but i understand that people there are even bigger fish than online, so my goal is to get it all-in on the flop.... hu maybe i'd get tricky wicky

Re: Can I call these two bets?
 

Against a "good regular" player a min-raise here sucks unless he thinks you are any good, in which case it will just confuse him. The reason it sucks is because that is exactly how every donk I've ever player with live plays his huge hands.

As it turns out he had a hand that he was probably gonna stack off with no matter what, so you got lucky (because he was pretty bad).

Also, any heart on the turn probably kills or at least diminishes your action.

Also, as played turn is an obvious call, glad it worked out for you.