TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Villain is 16/10/6, but his flop ag is 10 so that stat is a little misleading

Anways, I raise A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG, Villain calls in the SB, we're HU

Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain checks, I check

Turn is an 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain bets $16, which is exactly pot, and I call

River is a T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villain bets $48, exactly pot again, I ???

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Call. You've underrepresented your hand, so folding's not really an option. Raising would obviously serve no purpose.

BTW, I'm not necessarily saying you should have played the hand any differently, I'm just saying that because you played it how you played it, you're kinda obligated to call.

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

i like the flop check, its hard to put a nitty villain on any Ax hands u beat.

Turn call is fine

River is difficult because he cant put u on AQ, but its hard to put villain on a hand we beat apart from a bluff. I think i let this one slide against this villain.

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i want to know the results of this hand btw...

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I like the flop check. I usually never fold after I under-represent my hand like this.

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This is a really tough hand. I'm sure I instacall if I'm playing, but I feel like it might be a fold. I don't think villain is betting Ax again here. Hero's hand looks a lot like a weak A or maybe a big PP

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I don't understand why you would check the flop with such a drawy board except to get villan to bet; you got your wish. As played, you should call.

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I... bet flop

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Flop check is okay, although I would usually bet.

As played, instacall.

EDIT: What site this is on is also a little important. If the site has a Bet Pot button, then INSTAINSTAcall

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Fold flop when checked to.

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I'd rather bet the flop to see where I stand, rather than c/c two psbs and potentially give free cards to draw. If you are c-betting this flop when you miss, you need to also bet when you flop TPGK for metagame purposes, and for value primarily.

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Fold flop when checked to.

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I tried to but I misclicked and hit the check button

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Slap My Jack,

How many Sklansky Bucks do you charge? PM me.

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

This was on FTP

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such a drawy board

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This isn't "such a drawy board"

Also if he has a flush draw and I bet the flop, I'd assume he check raise and I'd fold.

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such a drawy board

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This isn't "such a drawy board"

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lol, honestly

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

cb flop around 3/4 pot...gives you alot of info

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such a drawy board

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This isn't "such a drawy board"

Also if he has a flush draw and I bet the flop, I'd assume he check raise and I'd fold.

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if you think he'd c/r a fd then why are you going to fold when he c/r's?

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

this is well played, imo. call the river of course.

i think it is a very good idea to play a hand like this just like this on a board like this from time to time. obviously default is to bet the flop, but checking behind sometimes is good.

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if you think he'd c/r a fd then why are you going to fold when he c/r's?

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Because when he check raises he doesn't have a flush draw 100% of the time?

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Fine line, instacall river once you take it.

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Very difficult river call IMO. I don't think it's even close to an instacall as most reponses suggest. I probably would lean towards folding actually.

What are a tight Villain's probable holdings here? He calls an UTG raise from the SB. Most of the times this is a PP, but it could be AK/AQ or big suited connectors. I don't think he has a much wider range than that.

On the flop he counts on Hero to bet it for him so he can call or go for a c/r. When Hero checks behind he's still not afraid of that A and bets pot into Hero. He gets called and bets pot again on the river. That shows strength to me. I have a very hard time seeing him doing this with a flush draw or a PP that didn't make a set.

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do you ever check behind this flop w/less than TP?

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No. I think that's an excellent flop to CB with a PP, missed KQ or whatever.

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do you ever check behind this flop w/less than TP?

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I would check with:
KK/QQ, sometimes a flush draw, rarely with air.

Re: TP vs tight player @ 200nl 6max
 

Looks like 77 22, or possibly even 88 to me. If he's as tight as suggested his range can't be all that wide. I'd possibly fold, but given this line it's tough.

He's shown strength on every street (except for the flop when he was possibly going for check-raise).

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I'd bet the flop pretty much everytime here, for value. I often check behind with A-T or A-x suited (where x is a weak kicker) here, but with second kicker I want value from AJ, ATs, etc...

As played, river is a tough call, but you've shown weakness so he might be trying to move you off your "QQ" with a busted draw. Villain never has A-x here. It's two pair or better, or air.

I'd call because I hate folding, obv.

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do you ever check behind this flop w/less than TP?

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I would check with:
KK/QQ, sometimes a flush draw, rarely with air.

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KK/QQ, really? However, if we assume that Hero plays the same and only checks behind with at least TP and sometimes KK/QQ or a flush draw, do you really think a tight Villain would bet turn and river this hard without a hand that beats TP?

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It looks 100% like either a pure bluff, or a pretty nutty hand (at least two pair). If it's a bluff it's a very strong one.

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Flop check is okay, although I would usually bet.

As played, instacall.

EDIT: What site this is on is also a little important. If the site has a Bet Pot button, then INSTAINSTAcall

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Well said.

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Looks like 77 22, or possibly even 88 to me. If he's as tight as suggested his range can't be all that wide. I'd possibly fold, but given this line it's tough.

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Look at his post-flop aggro. He's betting the river with a lot of weaker aces and possibly complete air.

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I don't think so, like I said his flop ag is 10 (so he probably sucks at hand reading!), and if i recall correctly his river ag was less than 2 but my stats were only over a few thousand hands. I'm not so sure he bets the river with AJ, A9, A6-3

Not to mention the fact that he never calls a raise from the SB with those hands.

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You've played it so passively and your hand is so hidden, I don't see how you could not call this, especially with an aggro factor like that.

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Alright, I called, he had 77. Turn was obv an easy call, river I agonized over.

If I were him I'd probably play it as aggresively as he did. He doesn't put me on much, so he might as well bomb because I'm probably not going to bluff him, yet could call down light. Meh.

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I would pat myself on the back if I played it like you did and villain showed 77.

I don't see how river is anything aside from call.