Bluff my OESFD?
 

I raise and slightly laggish BTN 3 bets

Hero A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 of purple dinosaurs

I check call.

Turn 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Checkraise?

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2 card flop?

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fixed

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Pretty easy c/r if he'll ever fold AK-AJ
Probably easy even if he won't

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Bet or c/r whatever mix it up.

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I think the wisdom of this move rests on your read of the player. I could support ch-cl, ck-raise; lead-call; lead-3-bet, etc. and would choose both on my read of opp. and the table image I currently have / want to change. You havce so much equity you're seeing a river regardless and not giving up a tremendous amount by doing so at the cost of many bets -- how often will extra bets generate FE from a better hand? How often will extra bets generate value from worse hands?

You tell me -- but without something particular on the player in question, it's hard to rule out any particular play here with your equity.

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I think a bigger question is: will you follow up with a river bet if he calls your turn c/r??

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I think a bigger question is: will you follow up with a river bet if he calls your turn c/r??

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yes, that is the real crux of the matter

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Betting the river UI seems very bad to me. Which better hand calls the turn c/r and folds a river brick?

Unless you have been giving up a lot of your bluffs on the river and think he could peel/fold a better A?

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I think a bigger question is: will you follow up with a river bet if he calls your turn c/r??

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how often will extra bets generate FE from a better hand?

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By "extra bets" I'm also including possible river lead UI. The answer is: Who Knows? The relative EV of the various plays depend almost entirely on our view of how often Villain will do X when faced with Y -- and all we know about Villain is he is "slightly laggish," 3-bet pre-flop, and c-bet the flop. I might C/R and lead, C/R and C/F, or just about anything else, depending almost entirely on facts that aren't present in the OP.

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IMO it's fairly hard to get him to fold a better hand here.

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IMO it's fairly hard to get him to fold a better hand here.

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I agree with this - that might even be an understatement. AJ is calling any turn aggression b/c it's got a gutter, then it looks you up on the river. AQ and AK rarely fold b/c hey, you could be semibluffing and that's the nut no pair (or effective)... and any pair isn't going anywhere either.

Surf

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I think this works often enough to give it a try. Getting called isn't so bad since you have plenty of outs. I think you get folds from AK and AQ here, which eats you a good portion of his range. You probably don't even get 3-bet too often by strong hands since your hand looks like JT or a set.

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no. he's calling the river here. If BTN called the turn here, he's calling the river, unless he precisely holds ATs. I think if BTN called the turn with hands like AK, he'll find a crying call on the river in the big pot. If BTN has a pocket pair, well, he's showing it down.

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[nit] quit posting so minimalistic, what position did you raise from? How many people are in the hand? [/nit]

the described villian folds a better hand here never