Need a line with JJ
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($54.50)
Button ($66.90)
SB ($34.30)
BB ($45.75)
Hero ($52.10)
MP ($49.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif.
Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds</font>, Button raises to $3.5</font>, 2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($7.75) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif 2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button bets $7</font>, Hero raises to $21</font>, Button calls $14.

Turn: ($49.75) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero ??</font>

Need a line. Vill is unknown. Raise again preflop?

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

bump... anyone at all?

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

instead of color=, write color: to make your post readable

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

why wld you c/r that flop?

wrong forum

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

The converter also has "2+2" format choise probably, you converted it to wrong format.

Umf, I don't like the checkraise on flop against a preflop reraise on this level. I think you should either check-call, check-fold or bet-fold, his reraising range is probably very slim (it usually is). I think given the action, I'd either check-call and check the turn to see what happens or just check-fold flat out. I think check-raise is the best way to light money on fire. You have half your stack in the pot already and if you bet (AI only possible bet here), you are giving him 3-to-1. If you check and he goes all-in, you're getting 3-to-1.

I think you're screwed.

Furthermore, this goes to the "Micro Stakes" forum. NL50 and down goes there.

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

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why wld you c/r that flop?

wrong forum

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gotta find out where we are at.

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

If that's sarcasm I don't know why you bother posting it. I'm a limit player trying to learn NL, this is a pretty standard line in that game. Please offer constructive, explained advice instead of things like this.

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

oracle,

instead of saying that the line is a good line in limit, how about answering my question as to why you used it in NL?

what do you think his range is? how does he responds to your c/r with that range? is your c/r for value or as a bluff?

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

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oracle,

instead of saying that the line is a good line in limit, how about answering my question as to why you used it in NL?

what do you think his range is? how does he responds to your c/r with that range? is your c/r for value or as a bluff?

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I know it's not a good NL line, that's why I posted the hand. Because I know I [censored] up and I needed advice- playing hands like it's limit is autopilot for me and I'm trying to change that. My skewed limit thinking was something along the lines of hand protection- I don't want hands like AQ, AK getting a free card out of me if theyre just c-betting. I know this is not as applicable to NL- I guess c/c and re-evaluate on the turn is correct? What if he bets something like 3/4 pot again on a blank turn? Fold it barring no reads?

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I guess c/c and re-evaluate on the turn is correct? What if he bets something like 3/4 pot again on a blank turn? Fold it barring no reads?

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Thats fine, pay attention to how often they repop small like this pre. If you haven't seen it before, you can weight it towards premium hands only. Many bad opponents repop like this with a very goofy range, since they aren't sure what to do with 88 and ajs.

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

Ok, a quick but serious answer, lead out on the flop or check call. Check raising bloats the pot and gives you weird turn situations like this. As played push your last $20 in on the turn. This is also the wrong forum. Go to micro limits for more suitable advice for this limit.

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

I usually c/c flop, lead blank turn in spots like this.

OP: This is not an easy situation, and definitely takes some feel as to whether to felt an overpair or not. The checkraise is bad because we're OOP with the weakest overpair, and vills minRR preflop (lol minbet) can mean a lot of things, possibly AA-KK, which is not a hand we want to bloat the pot against.

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I usually c/c flop, lead blank turn in spots like this.

OP: This is not an easy situation, and definitely takes some feel as to whether to felt an overpair or not. The checkraise is bad because we're OOP with the weakest overpair, and vills minRR preflop (lol minbet) can mean a lot of things, possibly AA-KK, which is not a hand we want to bloat the pot against.

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What do you do if he raises your turn donk? What do you do on a blank river if he calls it?

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

Oracle,

check/call flop, check/fold turn because people rarely second barrels wiffed overs at NL50

Re: Need a line with JJ
 

c/r-ing the flop is spewy. he rarely calls w. worse hands and folds most hands we beat.

c/c lead turn is an okay line. I would probably fold if he raises the turn though. If he calls our turn lead, i probably either 1/2 pot on river (blank) or c/c small bet.