Put him on AK and calldown??
 

UTG is a maniac fish. No stats yet but he has been raising anything and everything, preflop and postflop. BB is a solid TAG - pretty sure he is a 2p2er.

Limit: $5/$10
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.5BB

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

Sure. I play the same.

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

With a bettor and a caller on that board I would fold the flop.

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

Well in defense of my flop call, I was fairly certain that UTG would put in action with any piece of that flop, so ATM I wasn't too concerned about his call. I don't think he would fold that flop with 42o.

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According to the Stove, if you ignore the maniac you get something like:

Board: Qd Jc 5h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 23.3392 % 23.34% 00.00% { 7c7d }
Hand 2: 76.6608 % 76.66% 00.00% { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }


So since you have to put in 2.5 BB to win 9ish BB (assuming maniac folds the turn and you get a bet from AK on the river) I guess you can call down any board where and A or K doesn't hit.

However, since there is a third guy in, if you give him a completely random hand:

Board: Qd Jc 5h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 16.9517 % 16.94% 00.01% { 7c7d }
Hand 2: 64.9946 % 64.72% 00.28% { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 3: 18.0537 % 17.77% 00.28% { random }

This would make me lean a bit more towards a fold, especially if the maniac will push you off the best hand occasionally.

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

I wouldn't call down because AK has 10 outs and you're behind a lot of other hands he could have

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I wouldn't call down because AK has 10 outs and you're behind a lot of other hands he could have

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The flop is the place it's close, the turn isn't. 10 outs on the turn = 20% equity, i.e. AK is trash.

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

I dump on the flop as well. I also wouldn't call the river.

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I dump on the flop as well. I also wouldn't call the river.

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I'm fine with flop peel in this spot, but yeah fold river. Didn't realize you thought he was a solid TAG.

(Of course, I should fold river, but you should probably call since he probably thinks you're a nit that will fold KJ to his river bet.)

Re: Put him on AK and calldown??
 

Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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muck da flop

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Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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i was thinking that if he's solid he isn't betting AK on the turn, what with the maniac in the pot and all.

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Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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i was thinking that if he's solid he isn't betting AK on the turn, what with the maniac in the pot and all.

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I agree about the river, but I have no reason to believe that he wouldn't c-bet the turn with AK.. If he has something like AKc, it's even more likely.

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Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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isn't one last barrel worth it sometimes here in hopes that your opponent will fold a pocket pair (getting 9.5:1 as a bluff)

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Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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isn't one last barrel worth it sometimes here in hopes that your opponent will fold a pocket pair (getting 9.5:1 as a bluff)

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Rarely worth it with AK, and especially not worth it when villian overcalls a QJx flop and check/calls the turn. It's debatable whether that's even a pocket pair 1 in 9 times much less one that plans on folding.

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Yeah, one thing I was thinking is that if you think he's solid, he probably isn't betting AK again on the river.

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isn't one last barrel worth it sometimes here in hopes that your opponent will fold a pocket pair (getting 9.5:1 as a bluff)

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We have to have a PP and fold it. That's very unlikely.