Brilliancy or FPS ?
 

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UTG ($51.50)
MP ($4.45)
Button ($154.80)
SB ($29.50)
Hero ($65.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls $2.

Flop: ($5) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($11) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

River: ($17) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>

The turn bet was designed to induce a CR. Didn't work. However, the rivercard looks like a PERFECT card to bet at because if he has a weaker ace, he probably thinks he either wins or splits. Unless he ofc has AQ, but I believe I would've heard from that hand already. No stats on the villain.

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Push river please.

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What's FPS?

Difficult to figure out his range, as he completes and then calls a 5BB raise - in bad position. I think the play is right unless he is in sick shape with A3, 34 or 55.

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Fancy Play Syndrome

He isn't questioning whether or not his hand is good (because if it wasn't that is obviously BBV not a real concern).

He is questioning whether or not the turn bet was dumb or not. I think it was pretty bad without a good read on the villain.

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I hope you had some kind of read for the turn, because against an unknown I wouldn't do this, but make it 7-11 on turn. I guess your flop bet is okay but I'd be more inclined to pot it.

I don't think you'll get called too much on the river though, because you bet about the same amount all the way and then 5x that on the river, and even my grandma sees through that.

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He isn't folding an Ace here, especially with the Q on the river. PUSHHSHSHSHSHHSHHHHHHH

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Hate the turn bet. You give the draws very nice immediate odds. If he's calling $3, he is calling $8, which allows you to shove the river.

You should have sized your turn bet to make an AI river bet less than his remaining stack. That would be much more 'brilliant' than the way you played it.

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Is betting $3 into a $11 pot a fancy play because I certainly cannot see it being a good play whatsoever. Ive never heard the term "inducing c/r" before. Pot the river too.

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Hate the turn bet. You give the draws very nice immediate odds. If he's calling $3, he is calling $8, which allows you to shove the river.

You should have sized your turn bet to make an AI river bet less than his remaining stack. That would be much more 'brilliant' than the way you played it.

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The turn bet gets little value too.

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defintiley FPS. bet that turn pretty strong and get called by A9

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I basically think that all your turn bet is doing is offering attractive odds to a diamond draw.

Don't get fancy - besides, you want to build a pot here.

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its not awful, but i'm the king of FPS.

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Push river please.

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word. bet bigger on turn and then you are solidz.

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wtf at turn.

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Betting the same amount of money on two streets is the kind of thing that'll get me raising a weaker ace here [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Note that down ;]

On the bright side, he raised his last $5 in on the river w/ A2 so it turned out fine.

IF the positions were reversed, would this still be as bad? People from position tend to raise a bit lighter. Or is this all fanciness trying to get him do the job I could do by betting more... How would the situation change if he had a full stack? Would there be way to induce a "bluff" from a weaker ace by representing something like KK- than there would be to just flat out valuebetting.

I'm probably trying to overthink a simple situation. And just normal valuebetting would be the best [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I'm probably trying to overthink a simple situation. And just normal valuebetting would be the best


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You were doing so well and then you say something bogus like this.

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If stacks were bigger it may require some maneuvering to get it in. Not the sort that requires you to get check/raised, but some.

Here, a simple Pot Bet/3/4 Bet/Push works perfect.

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Here, a simple Pot Bet/3/4, he folds .


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Bold assertion. Useful if you can put him on exactly A2, otherwise, rather useless.

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Hey guys,

I see hands all the time where my villains call down on a ragged board and then fold to a big river bet. What's going on here?

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He has a bad hand?

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He has a bad hand?

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ragged = no straight draws, what i mean to ask is, how did he get to the river with a hand that he can fold on the river?