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zPro 10-22-2006 03:33 PM

Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to t1500 (All-in)</font>, MP1 calls t1500 (All-in), <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Hero calls t1500 (All-in)

abarber 10-22-2006 03:36 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
Call this as fast as your mouse and reflexes allow.

Dan. 10-22-2006 03:36 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
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Call this as fast as your mouse and reflexes allow.

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ohkanada 10-22-2006 05:24 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
I would call, but you can certainly expect to see a wide range of hands by the raiser. Some of them crushing you and most of them you are crushing.

Ken

Pasterbator 10-22-2006 05:34 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
I would call but not as fast as everyone else.



Misclick folding here is VERY BAD.

Unknown Soldier 10-22-2006 06:03 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
what's everyones calling range here?

morgan180 10-22-2006 06:10 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
easy call.

Unknown Soldier 10-22-2006 06:11 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
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what's everyones calling range here?

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Dan. 10-22-2006 06:13 PM

Re: Stars $6.50s 1st hand, n00b call?
 
QQ+, and maybe JJ, but not if overcalling.

mackthefork 10-22-2006 06:47 PM

I made this post a while back, about this subject.
 
Overcalling JJ and QQ,

Regards Mack

mackthefork 10-22-2006 06:52 PM

Re: I made this post a while back, about this subject.
 
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Let us say someone goes all-in on the first orbit of a Stars turbo, and gets called, you are closing the action with JJ. I will ignore the blinds completely as they are small to simplify this. If you fold you will have 1500, against 6 others with 1500 and 1 with 3000, and your $EV will be 11.4% of the prize pool, if you call and win you will 4500 against 6 others with 1500, and your $EV will be 27.75% of the pool. What this means is you need to have a hand that is 11.4/27.75= 41.1% against the ranges of the two all in people in order to breakeven.




When you have JJ the breakeven point is around 22+ A5s+ A8o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs and 77+ AJs+ AQo+.





When you have QQ the breakeven point is around 66+ A8s+ KJs+ ATo+ KQo and TT+ AQs+ AKo.





I find it rare to see these kind of ranges in players who go all-in, I know they are loose but not this loose in general. This is why I advocate folding these sorts of hands against two all-ins, Not because one of them is likely to have you beat, but because even if they are very loose you are still giving away money by calling.


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