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I have come up with a great idea for a new type of game for an online site. I have emailed PokerStars and just emailed FullTilt because I would like to be compensated if they use my idea. It's truely brilliant. I was curious though if anyone has a contact at one of the big sites that could help me get a fair deal.

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What's so great about your idea? Do you understand what goes into making a game "great?"

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I'd discuss it thoroughly first with someone of 100% integrity, such as David Sklansky.

Sending off a brilliant idea in an e-mail to
Mr OffshorePokerSiteOperator might not be the best first step on your route to amazing riches.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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Yeah sending it off in an email would be bad. I mean even if I sent it to an American company I have no protection. I figure if I make an online site 50 million dollars or something I deserve something for that.

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i know his idea. its texas holdem without the river card. Therefore, great players can never complain about being "rivered" anymore. How uncool does it sound to tell someone you got "turned." Brilliant ide, i want half of all possible profits.

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They are not gonna implement it without discussing with countless mid-level managers, external software developers, testing it out at play money etc., so I think you are basically left with two choices, patent it before approaching them or give up.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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If some of the aspects of the game remain the same are the parts that compose the structure patentable?

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If some of the aspects of the game remain the same are the parts that compose the structure patentable?

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I don't think you can patent a card game. Who was the dumb Texan that invented Texas hold'em and over looked this? You could patent a game that required specific pieces or unique cards, no question. Processes are also patent-able, but I don't think this would count.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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What don't I have a clue about?

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Don't listen to nay-sayers, Yo Respek.

I didn't know anything about music when I invented the two-necked guitar, so I was talked out of mass-producing it.

Am I rich, now? Well, yes, but not from selling two-necked guitars.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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What don't I have a clue about?

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The condradiction in what you are saying, which makes it complete garbage, among other things.

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If some of the aspects of the game remain the same are the parts that compose the structure patentable?

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Many patents are rejected because even if whatever you want to patent is not patented today, it may be considered that you don't add any significant new inventions (i.e. I think it would be hard to patent various betting spreads as so many different ones are already in use, even if they are not patented). When I worked with telecommunications, I was called a few times by the patent authorities after some "genius" had a "new" idea, each time I would correctly answer "we have done that a lot of times, if you need proof I will provide". Even though we did not have a patent, they never ended up getting. However, ask a patent lawyer if you want detailed advice.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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What don't I have a clue about?

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The vast majority of poker players think they are winners, but are actually losers, your game probably has to be designed in a way to maintain that illusion to make it popular, variance is a very important part of the build-up of that illusion.

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Don't listen to nay-sayers, Yo Respek.

I didn't know anything about music when I invented the two-necked guitar, so I was talked out of mass-producing it.

Am I rich, now? Well, yes, but not from selling two-necked guitars.

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By invented, it sound like you actually created it. That's pretty impressive. I rarely take conceptual ideas that far.

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=579951

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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What don't I have a clue about?

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The vast majority of poker players think they are winners, but are actually losers, your game probably has to be designed in a way to maintain that illusion to make it popular, variance is a very important part of the build-up of that illusion. [/quote/

Right the reason I was trying to come up with a new type of game/structure was a way to solve or reduce many of the problems associated with current games.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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Please tell me how this is possible in any of the current forms of poker. Specifically the avoid variance part.

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I guess what that guy is saying is that I don't know enough about poker to invent a poker game. I would agree that it helps to understand everyones motives and reasons behind their decisions in poker. That would probably contribute to me being a pretty good poker player. I am a pretty good poker player. So that's out of the way now. Because I understand what most people want in a poker game I thought up a way to give most people what they want in a poker game. I know my ideas are good because I would play in a game that used my ideas. I can anticpate that other people would play in a game with my ideas because they currently play in games that I play in.

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I just want to be careful about what I say. I wasn't trying to reinvent the wheel here. Let's just say it gives everyone what they want. It's extremely fun and allows tons of action. It gives an excellent player options to avoid variance and gives the gamblers/fish a great experience.

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How is it possible for it to allow excellent players to avoid variance and still give gamblers/fish a great experience? Something tells me that you don't have a clue.

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The vast majority of poker players think they are winners, but are actually losers, your game probably has to be designed in a way to maintain that illusion to make it popular, variance is a very important part of the build-up of that illusion.

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Right the reason I was trying to come up with a new type of game/structure was a way to solve or reduce many of the problems associated with current games.

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I still can't see how a game would have low variance AND be fun AND keep fish happy. One must asume that poor players constantly losing money but maybe we are taking it too far...

I suggest teaming up with a software developer and calling the game "veryfuncrazygame", right after you buy the website for "veryfuncrazygame". You gotta own the website of whatever you want to call it...and try to make it less than 7 characters...and sound chinese.

Developers have more incentive to help you than an established poker room, IMO. An established poker room has a bigger incentive to rip you off...all they gotta do is make a minor change and it's a whole new game in many instances.

If your serious, talk with a patent specialist (if this is even possible). They help you think of basic modifications that you need to patent as well, to prevent this kind of thing from happening.

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I have emailed PokerStars and just emailed FullTilt

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Yeah sending it off in an email would be bad.

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Huh? What kind of dope have you been tiddlin' with boy?

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I have emailed PokerStars and just emailed FullTilt

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Yeah sending it off in an email would be bad.

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I did not put the idea in the email I just asked them if they would provide a safe outlet for my idea.

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Huh? What kind of dope have you been tiddlin' with boy?

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I did not put the idea in the email I just asked them if they would provide some type of way to tell them the idea and protect my interest in that idea.

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Listen I have to go I will be back to add stuff later to this thread. If anyone has any contacts that are helpful or ideas please mention them.

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If some of the aspects of the game remain the same are the parts that compose the structure patentable?

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I don't think you can patent a card game. Who was the dumb Texan that invented Texas hold'em and over looked this? You could patent a game that required specific pieces or unique cards, no question. Processes are also patent-able, but I don't think this would count.

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Actually you can. There was an article in the LA Times a few years ago about the guy who invented Pai Gow or something similar when he was manager of a southern California card room. His lawyer told him that he couldn't patent the game, so he never tried. Years later, after the game became huge, he discovered that yes, he could have patented it. His heirs estimated the lost royalties at over $100 million.

I always thought this was odd since Pai Gow poker looks very similar to a game I played in Viet Nam years before this guy invented it.

I'm sure there's more to it than just sending in your patent application and cashing the royalty checks, but anyone who believes they've invented a new card game should definitely seek the advice of a patent attorney before showing it to anyone, especially anyone with the ability to put the game online worldwide.

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He's the same charlatan who runs a website that promises to sell you software that will allow you to "know" your opponents' hole cards. You have to pay by Wetern Union, which sends money to an anonymous account in the dregs os the UK. The fact that he's had this up for a while suggests there IS one born every minute.

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I still can't see how a game would have low variance AND be fun AND keep fish happy.

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Have high variance if you play poorly and low variance if you play well. (This looks like a contradiction, but it isn't, quite.)

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Really, talking to David Sklansky is definitely your best option. He's been putting a fair amount of effort into inventing casino games and should have a good idea of the legal and practical issues about it.

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Yeah it would be awesome if my idea could work in a casino but it probably wouldn't work. It's perfect for online poker. I don't think that the other sites would copy it right away either because it would make them look bad. The first site to get the idea up and running would have a tremendous advantage.

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Does anyone have a patent on Elimination Blackjack? It's a well-designed tournament game. To my knowledge only UB is spreading it. There is also a BJ played like poker with blinds now at Crypto. It is a very poorly designed game, but I don't know anyone else offering it. Is it patented?

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Thank you for that information. I am going to find out if those games are patented. I'll probably email their support and ask or find it in search.

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Does anyone have a patent on Elimination Blackjack? It's a well-designed tournament game. To my knowledge only UB is spreading it. There is also a BJ played like poker with blinds now at Crypto. It is a very poorly designed game, but I don't know anyone else offering it. Is it patented?

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I think that UB does have some kind of rights, at least they are in the early stages of having a go at GSN about the Ultimate Blackjack Tour.

Also, I wouldn't imagine that Cryptologic would offer their weird game if they could just offer Elimination Blackjack.

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Youe mean like - more than one board? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Texas hold em but you can discard and draw after the flop, you have to pay a blind to discard. Fish would nibble this up.

or a combination of omaha and screw your neighbor.

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what the [censored] is the point of this thread? "I INVENTED THE GREATEST GAME EVAR, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!"

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i know most of you guys think this guy is stupid. does anyone else think he might be ash_ketchum?

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i know most of you guys think this guy is stupid. does anyone else think he might be ash_ketchum?

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Yeah everyone is stupid and you are smart. Why do you feel the need to call me stupid? Of course I am not going to give my idea away in the thread nor give you enough information so that you can figure it out. I would love the feedback but that would defeat the purpose. I just wanted to know how to go about getting in contact with the right people.