The 1k sngs....an interetsing observation?
 

Whenever a new format or structure emerges, a very interesting phenomenon occurs. This goes back to the introduction of the party steps, then the party 530s, and now the 1k turbos on stars. The phenomenon is eesentially this,,,

About 20 people proclaim how "soft" the new games are, and announce how they are destroying them, outplaying everyone there, etc.

As someone who does a pretty darn good job of assesing play, I will say that the play in the 1ks on stars has been pretty darn strong, and that every good player is getting their share of wins losses and bad beats...good2cu had perhaps the worst single day of luck i have ever seeen a week or so ago....#1pen is in the midst of coming in 4th like 20 times in a row today...I have won more thna my share in the short time they have run but certainly not due to "outplaying" any of these players.

Overall, the play is quite good....good2cu and pwnasaurus and bigjoe and cferg when he plays are bringing their party skills to stars as well as others. Yes there are a few weakies but net net it is damn good sng poker being played, with very few GLARING errors.

What is also interesting is the 315 turbo they have added as wel...what is occuring is that stars is really making it so everyone "finds their level" and the players that cant beat the 1ks wil go to the 555s etc etc etc...but what is definitely going to happen is this. Play will continue to improve at the higest levels.

I won a 1k heads up with pwn a few days ago where literally no one made a mistake the whole tournament. I went through it afterwards and literally EVERY push or fold play was correct (obv as best as i can tell...cant tell what people folded when they may have pushed)...It was pretty sick. As someone who runs a training site, this is really good stuff, as there will be many instructive videos to come from these, and people who are not quite at that level would serve themselve well by railing these tournaments, as the play really is of a high caliber.


sheets

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Do you think you have an edge in them? If so, how big? I havn't touched them because I don't think I could deal with the variance playing with such small an adge, if I even have one to begin with. I guess table selection is really key but kind of hard when there are 7 top pros in every one.

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I have to say bigballz, this is as good as it has gotten as far as quality goes. Everyone is push folding within .3% of accuracy, and all edges are gained from "other" things...player reads...preflop midlevel steals...post flop play in ealier levels to get chips (gasp)(maybe some of gigabets and my bs might be worth something in this constrct who knows) sure I have enough tricks up my sleeve where I think I have an edge, but make no mistake, this is tough play.

sheets

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lol there is NO WAY that anyone who says the 1ks are very soft should be taken seriously.

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Edit: [censored]! too late.

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a couple of the ones i railed i saw some glaring errors, but that does not mean you are wrong in general

also it's possible people are shoving not often enough and you don't see the hands they fold

again, i'm not saying they are soft just a couple of thoughts to point out

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IMO, the stars sngs are so incredibly soft its ridiculous. It sucks that me, mario, good2cu, and z32fanatic are playing in every game, but besides us everyone is horrible. The Stars "regulars" will all be horribly busto soon. I think long term roi's of 10% are very attainable at the 530s and 1k sngs and 15% roi is attainable at the 225s


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IMO, the stars sngs are so incredibly soft its ridiculous. It sucks that me, mario, good2cu, and z32fanatic are playing in every game, but besides us everyone is horrible. The Stars "regulars" will all be horribly busto soon. I think long term roi's of 10% are very attainable at the 530s and 1k sngs and 15% roi is attainable at the 225s


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lolol yea right 10% ROI at the 1ks, thats like the [censored] dumbest thing Ive ever heard.

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IMO, the stars sngs are so incredibly soft its ridiculous. It sucks that me, mario, good2cu, and z32fanatic are playing in every game, but besides us everyone is horrible. The Stars "regulars" will all be horribly busto soon. I think long term roi's of 10% are very attainable at the 530s and 1k sngs and 15% roi is attainable at the 225s


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lolol yea right 10% ROI at the 1ks, thats like the [censored] dumbest thing Ive ever heard.

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lololol i would take that bet any day but the only source of reliability is sharkscope....

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fortunately for us sharkscope is extremely accurate.

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IMO, the stars sngs are so incredibly soft its ridiculous. It sucks that me, mario, good2cu, and z32fanatic are playing in every game, but besides us everyone is horrible. The Stars "regulars" will all be horribly busto soon. I think long term roi's of 10% are very attainable at the 530s and 1k sngs and 15% roi is attainable at the 225s


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lolol yea right 10% ROI at the 1ks, thats like the [censored] dumbest thing Ive ever heard.

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Dude believe me I'm not defending bigjoe here but it's not totally impossible with good table selection. The key is that there have to be some fish floating around. Pros trying to outplay each other is silly, but if there is even one huge donator (see that Nemo234 guy in [censored] thread) then the best pros can get close to this number. One "perfect donator" would get everyone up to 7% (remember the rake is only 5%), not sure if they are counting rakeback but that adds another 1.3% so you are at 8%, if some of the pros aren't quite up to snuff then 10% is possible.

But like I said this all hinges on a couple of fish floating around, nobody (except Nemo) is going to be close to a "perfect" donator so you need a couple.

If it's 8 top-notch pros and two pretty solid amateurs well then it's kind of silly.

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Im pretty sure thats not what bigjoe is talking about. I think hes talking about playing every single tourney, as he generally does.

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curtains,

sharkscope was already off by 35% from my results on my computer (and stars cashier), after only 200 sngs.

citanul

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If sharkscope misses 10-20% of tourneys it is practically irrelevant. For me its almost exactly accurate, unfortunately so since Im having my worst session ever right now.


But plenty of people are going to come saying how its off by a few bucks here or there. Obviously it might miss a tourney here or there. That doesn't mean that it isnt extremely accurate for the most part.

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that's interesting because it's exactly accurate for me as far as i can tell over about 4500 SNGs.

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it includes headsup stuff which might confuse some people? But yeah Im pretty positive its very very accurate.

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If sharkscope misses 10-20% of tourneys it is practically irrelevant. For me its almost exactly accurate, unfortunately so since Im having my worst session ever right now.

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Curtains, less than a week ago weren't you on the hottest streak of your career? I know this must me a bad slide b/c I have never heard you say anything like that about varience before. Gl I know you'll pull it out soon.

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Hey, yes I had best run ever, but this session is bad. By session I mean last 2-3 hours. Was like 1/20 ITM at some point with my only money finish being 3rd place. Anyway never really had any disastrous session where I lose a huge number of buyins, however this might be the one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


btw Al, not really sure what your comments about how you never heard me say something about variance means. Did I even say anything really other than that Im getting murdered in last few hours?

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Hey, yes I had best run ever, but this session is bad. By session I mean last 2-3 hours. Was like 1/20 ITM at some point with my only money finish being 3rd place. Anyway never really had any disastrous session where I lose a huge number of buyins, however this might be the one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


btw Al, not really sure what your comments about how you never heard me say something about variance means. Did I even say anything really other than that Im getting murdered in last few hours?

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He means you aren't whiney or at least you didn't use to be. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I wasnt whining? Was just stating matter of factly that having my worst session ever!!! I feel like I have to spread the news about my lows since I recently had sick heater that I posted about everywhere. I'm posted about it only because I feel it's my duty.

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I'm wondering what the point is of playing levels where you're going to run up against very good players more often than not...why not step down and play softer games? Surely your win rate at the lower levels will make up for the higher $, plus your bankroll will be better able to withstand bad run.

It's like I'm always being asked to go play at The Wynn or Bellagio by my poker buddies - guys I know who are very good . Why would I want to go ply against them when I can beat up on the tourists and local nits at The Orleans? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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btw Al, not really sure what your comments about how you never heard me say something about variance means. Did I even say anything really other than that Im getting murdered in last few hours?

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Yeah it was a compliment really, b/c you never complain about how you are running. So when I heard you say you were having a bad session, I knew it was most likely a horrible catapstrophe by most players standards. But you can brush it off as a bad session cuz your champ.

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btw Al, not really sure what your comments about how you never heard me say something about variance means. Did I even say anything really other than that Im getting murdered in last few hours?

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Yeah it was a compliment really, b/c you never complain about how you are running. So when I heard you say you were having a bad session, I knew it was most likely a horrible catapstrophe by most players standards. But you can brush it off as a bad session cuz your champ.

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Hehe, I wasnt really complaining [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Worst part of it is I mix $225s and $114s and every time I money I see what buyin it is and its always $114!!!!!! Ok time to stop the hijack

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I'm wondering what the point is of playing levels where you're going to run up against very good players more often than not...why not step down and play softer games?

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Beating the best competition is essential to mark yourself as one of the top 5 SNG players in the world.

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Dominic,

Stfu, k?

citanul

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Dominic,

Stfu, k?

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In other words, the 1000s are the perfect place for all those players. From cit's perspective of course.

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pineapple,

Stfu, k?

citanul

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I'm wondering what the point is of playing levels where you're going to run up against very good players more often than not...why not step down and play softer games? Surely your win rate at the lower levels will make up for the higher $, plus your bankroll will be better able to withstand bad run.

It's like I'm always being asked to go play at The Wynn or Bellagio by my poker buddies - guys I know who are very good . Why would I want to go ply against them when I can beat up on the tourists and local nits at The Orleans? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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the lil ballas have something to prove to us.

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Dominic,

Stfu, k?

citanul

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fwiw, I see no reason any of the good 2+2ers...all 5 of them... couldnt have at least 3% roi in the $1000s...Also, some people dont mind swings, as they dont mind risking the 150k bankroll or whatever you need to play that game with a small roi. I'll be there in 3 months after I get 100k online again. From what I have seen in the alst week, the "good" stars players play about as well as the breakeven party people, so I see no reason why most anyone couldnt make at least some profit if they know how to play.

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The Party 530s *were* very soft and crushable - for the first weekend while all the STTF'rs were away from their computers, in Vegas for STTFHUC-II

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FYP

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Is it possible to hire someone to get my thread back, like that guy from "kidnapped"? I guess its no ones thread...it belongs to everyone...so, what were we talking about?..oh yeah..curtains u stink?

sheets

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Is it possible to hire someone to get my thread back, like that guy from "kidnapped"? I guess its no ones thread...it belongs to everyone...so, what were we talking about?..oh yeah..curtains u stink?

sheets

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I'll do it for $500


Edit: Ship on stars plz

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Is it possible to hire someone to get my thread back, like that guy from "kidnapped"? I guess its no ones thread...it belongs to everyone...so, what were we talking about?..oh yeah..curtains u stink?

sheets

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Ok while we are hi-jacking. I heard bax tell the story of how your nick became "sheets". Rure gold, made my day.

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From what I have seen in the alst week, the "good" stars players play about as well as the breakeven party people,

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eh, this doesnt quite make sense to me. so you are saying if a good PS player moved from PS to party (before the whole ban thing) then he would end up breaking even there? even at the 55/109 buyins?

if yes, i would like to see some evidence of this being true, because i dont quite believe it based on just 'your word' because ive seen alot of high stakes, high respected players say alot of stupid [censored] on this forum that people automatically believe just because they are the top 5 SNG players in the world!!!

and yes, everyone on this forum (perhaps except curtains and newt buggs) say alot of stupid [censored] on this forum constantly (mostly not relating to strategy, tho). no one is immune to it. that's one thing i have learned for sure.

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I see stars "pros" missing any two pushes all the time at the 1ks, im too buys 14 tabling to go into depth right now...but expect more later.

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including rakeback 10% roi is doable i think

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Bigjoe,
Thank you for making the forums so entertaining.