PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

This might be a weird post but I'm asking you what line should Vilain take here with his hand.

Reads on vilain: - 3 tabling 11$

Reads on hero are as follow:
-3rd hand in SnG.. Hero raised 3xBB UTG on 1st hand...everyone folded

What ranges does Hero have on flop?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t1160)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1490)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Vilain is in MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]


<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t40</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP3 calls t40

Flop: (t190) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

Turn: (t430) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

River: (t670) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, MP3 calls t240

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

I'm so confused.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

I am confused how vilain played that hand and hope any one of you has a meta-game explanation...

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

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Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

I have KK as MP3, right?

I raise to t60-t80, 3-bet preflop. On the flop, if I have something like AQ, I probably raise, though calling down isn't the worst like in the world. I don't think you can raise turn or river for value after the way pf and flop went down.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

Villian open folds KK in MP1, bad move dude

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

*mental notes never to try something fancy with a converter*

KK is MP3 yes...

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

Uh... villain could have re-raised or raised the flop I reckon.

WTF did you have, that's such an odd line for any hand, especially preflop.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

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i thought you guys were being lazy and didn't want to decipher this, but i tried to figure out wtf was going on three times and can't. sorry OP.

i will say that KK played this pretty bad.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

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Uh... villain could have re-raised or raised the flop I reckon.

WTF did you have, that's such an odd line for any hand, especially preflop.

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Good ol AA... I was just shocked when I saw in my hand history that he had KK.. didn't understand a thing.. he should have normally re-raised pf.. re-raised on flop?

I was wondering what he was trying to do?! Trap me risking an ace? Not wanting to commit to a pot?! I tought about meta game.. but... oh well..

Here was the right hand:
PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t1160)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1450)
Button (t1440)
Hero (t1490)
BB (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]


<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t40</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, MP3 calls t40

Flop: (t190) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

Turn: (t430) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP3 calls t120

River: (t670) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t240</font>, MP3 calls t240

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Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

Hero,
Please reraise more preflop. Bet more on turn. Bet more on river.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

Metagame at an $11? LOL. These guys aren't gonna notice a thing. Don't worry about that. Chances are you'll never play with these guys again and anyway they sure as hell aren't gonna remember a thing about it.

Anyway, this hand was played awful by both considering you didn't manage to get all the chips in by the flop between you. He should obv raise more PF, to like t70. You should re-raise more, to like t140 here or so, build your pot!! He should 3-bet PF and well you should both be all-in PF really.

I'm still fascinated you're not already all-in PF to think what to do after the flop! Yeah flop bet is nice. You should bet more on the turn, like t270. Check/call river assuming you don't get a 4th club, then you value bet it.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

Villains min raise is what a lot of inexperienced (and some experienced) players do when they get a monster PF hand (QQ+). They realize it's not usually good to limp with them, but they don't want to scare everyone out. So they do the next best thing (in their mind), they min raise. This is why a min raise can be a pretty good indicator of KK+, sometimes QQ.

When you reraised him (still too small for what you had), you put him in a position where he figured he had reeled in a fish, and didn't want to let you off the line too quickly. Every bet from Flop to River is being called by Villain because he truely believes he has you beat. He lets you bet into him thinking about what a great surprise it will be when you flop over AQ (or something to that order) and see you ran into cowboys. This is just how people at this stage of Poker development think.

9/10 times, unless you have a great read on your opponent.. you are going broke if you have KK, and Villain has AA. The 1 time you don't go broke is when Villain makes his set of Aces, and you know enough to get out with that overcard flop.

As for your betting line, as everyone has said.. Raise more PF (like to at least 120-160). Really bet more on the Turn (closer to 3/4 pot), and most certainly pot it on the River. By the river you should actually be AI if you bet correctly on the previous streets.

Re: PS11: Comment on Vilain...
 

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Hero,
Please reraise more preflop. Bet more on turn. Bet more on river.

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QFT that is all.